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SELLING key date China silver dollar 1933 Year 22, NGC MS63

(A PCGS MS63 just sold for about $6300 at the Goldberg auction.)

Please PM me if interested or email to csmith1541@yahoo.com.

I will have more Chinese dollars for sale soon on my site:
http://www.coinvault.com/oldchina.htm

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Re: SELLING key date China silver dollar 1933 Year 22, NGC MS63
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2021, 10:43:43 PM »
ngc = 50% or less pcgs price for old Chinese coins

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Re: SELLING key date China silver dollar 1933 Year 22, NGC MS63
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2021, 11:01:09 PM »
Can you sell me one for 50% less ?

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Re: SELLING key date China silver dollar 1933 Year 22, NGC MS63
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2021, 07:31:34 AM »
ngc = 50% or less pcgs price for old Chinese coins




I have seen much lower prices for small gold pandas in PCGS holders compared to NGC too.   Now that gold has broke out, who knows what will happen.   Seasoned collectors want NGC but small fry like me like them both.   Even ICG & ANACS have higher prices, at times, in comparison to PCGS.    PCGS must be undervalued....

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Re: SELLING key date China silver dollar 1933 Year 22, NGC MS63
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2021, 12:44:02 PM »
PCGS coin prices have risen higher than NGC for older Chinese coins.   
But NGC is still the best for MCC.

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Re: SELLING key date China silver dollar 1933 Year 22, NGC MS63
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2021, 03:47:59 PM »
Here is one PCGS for sale too. 

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Re: SELLING key date China silver dollar 1933 Year 22, NGC MS63
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2021, 03:52:04 PM »
PCGS MS63 already sold !   Took 5 seconds.

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Re: SELLING key date China silver dollar 1933 Year 22, NGC MS63
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2021, 07:53:17 PM »
Buy the coin, not the label.  Labels come and go at least for modern coins. My RIP labels since covid started, 82% of the coins came back with the same grade, 4% downgraded and 14% upgraded. For modern I submit 100% to NGC, for vintage I submit 100% to PCGS.  There are some collectors that collect both modern and vintage and surprisingly they tend to be all NGC or all PCGS, they are loyal to one grading company. The discount for inferior label is 5-15% unless it is very special coin with very low top pop.

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Re: SELLING key date China silver dollar 1933 Year 22, NGC MS63
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2021, 08:03:53 PM »
For the vintage Chinese coins the PCGS / NGC label difference in price has expanded.

Sometimes I see no difference and send them to PCGS.

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Re: SELLING key date China silver dollar 1933 Year 22, NGC MS63
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2021, 09:18:53 AM »
The main reason there is a premium with PCGS slabbed coins, is you get more luster for your buck/grade. If you compare the grading scale description for NGS to PCGS you will notice that NGC does not require Luster for XF or AU. For PCGS an XF and AU should have visible luster in protected areas, this is not to the case for NGC. So from a collector point of view, same grade PCGS will most likely have better eye appeal. But as time goes by and these coins become more scarce I’m sure the gap will close, just like the key date gold pandas did when supply ran short. They are now calling the Vintage Chinese coin market one of the greatest coin markets ever!

I recently sent in 7 nice vintage pieces with numerical grades in attempt to get crossed over and add to my registry set. (For all those that are into NGC registry, you must check out PCGS registry its way cool) From my understanding crossover rate is 20/30% from NGC to PCGS, I hope my results are better. I also sent in a 1911 dragon dollar with heavy pvc residue in xf/au condition to see how the conservative program performs. I have always had excellent results at NGC but the crossover process to PCGS is a headache and would like to avoid it.

Btw Clark smith did you recently buy a collection? You seem to have quite a few nice new pieces for sale!

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Re: SELLING key date China silver dollar 1933 Year 22, NGC MS63
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2021, 12:40:27 PM »
Vintage Chinese coin market one of the greatest coin markets ever??    I believe you.    Years ago I noticed high price of silver dollars but low price of 50C, 20C, 10C & 5C.   Have over 2 dozen that need graded but cannot afford to rejoin NGC & grade yet.   Got them for very, very cheap.   A pair of 1890-1908 20C & 10C Kwangtung silver dragons that look like new.   Asked seller in Canada many times and he said genuine so got them for about $100 both, my most expensive raw Vintage.    What i see on ebay is these smalls in low grades are getting good prices too.   Trickle down from silver dollars...

In time MCC will go nuts too.....   


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Re: SELLING key date China silver dollar 1933 Year 22, NGC MS63
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2021, 11:52:52 PM »
Toning is quite an important factor as well. Vintage coin is not just priced by the grade, like MCC.

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Re: SELLING key date China silver dollar 1933 Year 22, NGC MS63
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2021, 11:57:03 PM »
Nice toning wasn't a factor until recently.  Now nice color toning is a big plus.

I bought a few collections and now starting to sell.

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Re: SELLING key date China silver dollar 1933 Year 22, NGC MS63
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2021, 05:17:18 AM »
Buy the coin, not the label.  Labels come and go at least for modern coins. My RIP labels since covid started, 82% of the coins came back with the same grade, 4% downgraded and 14% upgraded. For modern I submit 100% to NGC, for vintage I submit 100% to PCGS.  There are some collectors that collect both modern and vintage and surprisingly they tend to be all NGC or all PCGS, they are loyal to one grading company. The discount for inferior label is 5-15% unless it is very special coin with very low top pop.


so that suggest the procedure will be:
1. crack the coin from the slab
2. submit as raw coins.

In mainland China, PCGS is reluctant to cross over coins in intact NGC slab, even if you'll accept an AU50 for NGC AU53 one for example, as I was told. According to the game rule, PCGS can view it and be unhappy to crossover and charge the same fee.

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Re: SELLING key date China silver dollar 1933 Year 22, NGC MS63
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2021, 09:40:28 AM »


so that suggest the procedure will be:
1. crack the coin from the slab
2. submit as raw coins.

In mainland China, PCGS is reluctant to cross over coins in intact NGC slab, even if you'll accept an AU50 for NGC AU53 one for example, as I was told. According to the game rule, PCGS can view it and be unhappy to crossover and charge the same fee.



Then you run the risk of

1. Damaging the coin in process of removing coin from holder

2.  Returning with details grade.

3. Or worse case (Body bag) returning as questionable authenticity.


If you purchased the coin in today’s market you might want to rethink this strategy. As I have seen and heard all these scenarios when crossing over. And I know of dealers that have then tried resubmitting once again to NGC to get numerical grade to no longer achieve original given grade.