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Re: God of Longevity 1987 weight discrepancies
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2014, 10:06:00 PM »
So yes there it is- clearly-  overlooked that.

And yes I was going to post the photo from the book too, as that shows 156.25 grams for gold,
But its still the choice of designation of Tael that throws me.

5 troy ounces = 155.517384 grams which is what I accepted was close, due to rounding.
But One Tael at 1.2 troy ounces per Tael, x 5 Tael is 6 oz, and 187 grams.

The much larger range of 37.4 -37.8 grams of gold per Tael has been standard for a long time, since 1959.
"The Republic of China's standardised market tael (Chinese: 市两; pinyin: shìliǎng) of 31.25 g was modified by the People's Republic of China in 1959. " Wiki

I have old bars and old donuts which measured such, roughly 1.2 troy ounce per Tael, 37.4 grams per Tael
I just dont understand why they would break commonly accepted modern measurements
by such a wide margin.  I would understand if this were a reproduction of a particular ancient coin or medal
which was measured by a different lower Tael weight.
I think that is the answer in the end, that these were meant to evoke old days standards, even if they were then
not accurate at the time they were released in 1987.

And yes, the two Silver COAs shown earlier on the thread are different as one is for the 1987 Longevity and the other the 1989 God of Wealth.
The question is, why the difference? The 1987 COA says Tael, the book says 103.12 grams, same exact as the 1989 God of Wealth which does not say Tael on the COA but 103.12 grams.
I can accept it as such, but not understand the reason for the one-time difference.  It would have made more sense to actually increase the weight to make them modern higher Tael weight, thats all.

"He who speaks without modesty will find it difficult to make his words good."

Confucius

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Re: God of Longevity 1987 weight discrepancies
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2015, 05:27:39 PM »


Video of my new found longevity medal.
http://youtu.be/J2TnvBBSg8E

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Re: God of Longevity 1987 weight discrepancies
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2015, 09:32:01 PM »
1987 God of Longevity is a awesome medal.    Here is my oddball Matte God of Longevity.    NGC will grade it but no COA or mint information.   I was told several big silver medals were struck in 1993 w/ very low mintage.  Notice there is no date and many other differences.......


http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=8954.msg52288;topicseen

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Re: God of Longevity 1987 weight discrepancies
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2015, 10:42:47 PM »
Very nice!! This one looks exactly like the one I have. LOL.  Except mine is proof.  Not sure of the mintage of mine, but yours is low.  That is great.  This one is one of my favorites now.  Just love it.  Wish I could get another one for 900.00.  I'd do it in a heartbeat. :-)

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Re: God of Longevity 1987 weight discrepancies
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2015, 11:02:53 PM »
The 87 has 1800 mint and the 93 has 999.   The 93 is next to impossible to find.   I was told in 93 the big silver lady w/ dog was struck and some others i do not recall.   If anyone has information on them please post.   The God of Longevity is one of my favorite medals too.   $900 w/ box is a good buy....

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Re: God of Longevity 1987 weight discrepancies
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2015, 11:06:57 PM »
The 87 has 1800 mint and the 93 has 999.   The 93 is next to impossible to find.   I was told in 93 the big silver lady w/ dog was struck and some others i do not recall.   If anyone has information on them please post.   The God of Longevity is one of my favorite medals too.   $900 w/ box is a good buy....

The 1987 seem to be hard to find too.  But I'm sure with 999, it has to be hard to find. :-)  I was wondering if it was the original box.  The COA inside too.  So, I'm very happy.  I know you are too. :-)  I wonder if that person who sold it to you is kicking himself. LOL.

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Re: God of Longevity 1987 weight discrepancies
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2015, 09:20:38 AM »
Jay is/was a top dealer of rare Chinese as was posted on this forum earlier.    Looking back he sold/traded many rare medals when medals were not loved.   When cash is low, trade.    Hard to believe how many trades i made when the opportunity was there.   Look up some of his past sales maybe under Buy, Sell & Trade.........

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Re: God of Longevity 1987 weight discrepancies
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2015, 09:24:20 AM »
Jay is/was a top dealer of rare Chinese as was posted on this forum earlier.    Looking back he sold/traded many rare medals when medals were not loved.   When cash is low, trade.    Hard to believe how many trades i made when the opportunity was there.   Look up some of his past sales maybe under Buy, Sell & Trade.........

yikes! one man's 'trash' is another man's treasure. :-)  You got some good treasure.  Me too. LOL.

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Re: God of Longevity 1987 weight discrepancies
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2015, 09:26:15 AM »
Oh, and here are my recent videos posted on my youtube video.  I'll be adding more and more as the days approach. All kinds. :-)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRxEF4GR8AyEA3arzH9549w

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Re: God of Longevity 1987 weight discrepancies
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2015, 09:34:39 AM »
Ebay 350893685579  box/coa from a top dealer/member.   The articles i read say this is the year the Yuan rises in power so buying MCC is one of the best choices.   MCC collectors are way ahead of the curve.   When the sheeple understand the Yuan will be a top currency due to China's gold accumulation and US gold depletion, then the flood will begin into Chinese money.   Hopefully this year but maybe not, we will soon find out.......

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Re: God of Longevity 1987 weight discrepancies
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2015, 10:07:00 AM »
I couldn't agree more with you pandemonium.  I think a lot of folks were expecting it to happen sooner, but they seem to be doing a good job at delaying the inevitable.  It may be a few more years out...who knows...but one thing smart money knows...it will happen eventually...and better to be 3 years early than 2 minutes too late. :-) 

Yep, that is the box and the COA I have.  I wish it had a medal inside for 900.00...I'd buy it. LOL.

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Re: God of Longevity 1987 weight discrepancies
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2015, 10:12:44 AM »
By the way, I'm not sure that collectibles will be the main medal to be in when this transition happens, as much as say, a pure bullion coin like a panda or an perth lunar or kook or even eagles???

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Re: God of Longevity 1987 weight discrepancies
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2015, 10:41:55 AM »
When the transition happens all bullion will see a parabolic rise in value.    MCC will be bullion on sterioids.   When the Yuan had little value no one wanted rare Chinese coins or MCC.  That will reverse.   When the USD goes down in value will the US rare coin market go down in value?   Unknown, as the Pricepedia states most all of the World's rare coins are seeing demand.   I do not see the Canadian or Australian dollar becoming the next World reserve currency.   I would rather own new issue, high mintage such as the 2015 common silver pandas then any other bullion.  So a mix of rare MCC and common silver pandas is a good choice.   I am no expert but a strong Yuan means a very strong Chinese coin market.    Wish i owned a 1987 Gold God of Longevity, WOW factor...........

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Re: God of Longevity 1987 weight discrepancies
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2015, 11:16:13 AM »
Hey sounds good to me, as I have lots of pandas and lots of MCC. :-)  I will buy more of the 2015 bullion...will be my main staple in 2015.  Maybe that's why they left off weight and dollar amount (???).  The Chinese govt ain't dumb...I'm sure there is a purpose behind it...we may not know today, but we will in time. :-)  By the way, what do you think of the 1985 ANA Great Wall error medal?  Thanks.

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Re: God of Longevity 1987 weight discrepancies
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2015, 12:00:09 PM »
I know very little about the Great Wall medals.   Do not own any.  They are the top choice on Huong Ruiyong's medal star list.    The Error medal is the 1 oz?   The 3.3 oz is more rare.   I do not know why they removed the weight or purity.   Maybe the 2013 or 14 is better than the 2015 silver panda?  You are right the Chinese are not stupid.  Did you know that there are more Christians in China today then Communists?   Look at France, that will soon be coming to the USA.   Putin w/ Snowden is going to release information that 911 was a inside job.   He has absolute proof.   The World is getting more interesting by the day so maybe the transition is close........