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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #60 on: September 15, 2013, 09:06:32 PM »
That 1992 1/2 is a 68 at best due to forehead rub.
It is obvious enough through the package.
Several coins from this year appear to have been mishandled.
That discoloration on the forehead is likely shelf wear inside the OMP.
OMP isn't made for long term storage and there are many mishandled 1980's and 1990's pieces that have slid around in drawers and across display cases for years.

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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #61 on: September 15, 2013, 09:25:24 PM »
That 1992 1/2 is a 68 at best due to forehead rub.
It is obvious enough through the package.
Several coins from this year appear to have been mishandled.
That discoloration on the forehead is likely shelf wear inside the OMP.
OMP isn't made for long term storage and there are many mishandled 1980's and 1990's pieces that have slid around in drawers and across display cases for years.

It is definitely not an ms70 candidate.  I bought it sight-unseen Omp from a big dealer at a price that made it worth taking a risk.  As long as it is truly OMP and I wasn't deceived, I'm ok with the purchase.  You win some, you lose some. 

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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #62 on: September 15, 2013, 09:37:44 PM »
I am not sure if the 1992 panda is OMP or not, however, the pouch looks to be in pristine condition from the pics.  The pouch is over 20 years old and I would have expected to see some discoloring or deterioration.  Forehead rubbing is common on pandas in capsules. To achieve the rubbing in your coin, it would have to have been tossed around an awful lot in OMP to achieve that level.  This would lead to the pouch showing signs of this.

As a side topic, I believe all post 2005 gold bu pandas have SG mint pouches. It is impossible to find a pouch other than SG.   However I believe it is documented somewhere that both Shanghai and SG produce gold pandas.  Which is odd why only SG pouches.

Here is a pic of a sheet I bought of 2008 pandas in Shanghai pouch.  Is the sheet resealed or not, I do not know, but I bought it anyway.  I thought is would be odd for someone to go to the trouble of resealing an entire sheet as opposed to individual pandas. 

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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #63 on: September 15, 2013, 10:23:28 PM »
@NBM

Here is what 1997 Large Date OMP from Shenyang should look like: (yours does appear to match this, yes?)
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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #64 on: September 15, 2013, 11:02:11 PM »
I'm afraid your picture is too small for me to tell.

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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #65 on: September 15, 2013, 11:21:58 PM »
someone should do a Peter Anthony's Panda Book style on .... (about pouches) .

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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #66 on: September 16, 2013, 12:08:00 AM »
Lest anyone complain of favoritism, here is a seller in Germany selling quite a few fake OMPs.
Same type as in the original photo of this thread.

Do our German collector brothers simply tolerate this from this seller? Or ?

And fraudulently discribed as "Originalfolie" too. Is it known for certain the origin of these is not Germany?

( photos previously provided by WG):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-20-oz-5-Yuan-Gold-China-Panda-1997-in-Originalfolie-/261268758510?pt=Münzen_Medaillen&hash=item3cd4d4dfee&nma=true&si=5QljDSEvL2bbAH73JhoTgn3LlMY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-10-oz-50-Yuan-Gold-China-Panda-2001-in-Originalfolie-/261268757488?pt=Münzen_Medaillen&hash=item3cd4d4dbf0&nma=true&si=5QljDSEvL2bbAH73JhoTgn3LlMY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #67 on: September 16, 2013, 12:21:59 AM »
OMP Shenyang 1997

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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #68 on: September 16, 2013, 12:24:35 AM »
OMP Shenyang 1996

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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #69 on: September 16, 2013, 12:54:43 AM »
Now That is interesting- thanks

I couldnt recall when Shenyang changed to the triangles - I do know the very fine pattern shown was much older.
So, is the fine wrap pattern in 1997 Shenyang a leftover ? It seems thst fine pattern is too
fine to fake later. Maybevthe mint had leftover older wraps for some sizes?

I am certain I have some earlier (1980's ) pandas with two types of Shenyang pattern fron same yesr.
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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #70 on: September 16, 2013, 12:59:30 AM »
@NBM

Here is what 1997 Large Date OMP from Shenyang should look like: (yours does appear to match this, yes?)

I cropped, resized (X4), and adjusted the gamma and contrast a little.
Yes, this looks like mine,

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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #71 on: September 16, 2013, 02:14:34 AM »
chris

only 2001 there is a mint slip with every single coin.

2008 sheet is resealed




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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #72 on: September 16, 2013, 02:18:57 AM »
2009

:001_rolleyes:

Dear Debbie, dear JR,

I am very sorry, but on Friday I will visit my bank and cancel my
mastercard-payment.
You leave no other choice for me to save my money.

After speaking to JR on Wednesday last week, he promised me to find a
solution
for my problems with this order.

But absolutely nothing happened! No email, no fedex-mail, no phonecall.
I tell you something, I've lost my faith into the company Pandaamerica!

Eventhough I cancel my offer to buy the misdelivery, after I found out, that
the coin you have send me is not original sealed. ( See picture-appendix )
As I do not collect quarter ounces, I did not knew in what kind of way
they are
originally sealed. Collectors in my forum all said the same: this is
private made sealing!
The coin can be picked up at my house by an agent of fedex or whatsoever,
or I will send it to you by parcel, but only if you carry the costs. I
didn't order this coin and
I don't want it.!

I am very disgusted with this delivery, the lack of communication and
the missing
halfounce, of course. Further I am afraid, that all the halfounces I
bought before
are even sealed at your company, and not by the chinese mint. It's a shame!

Regards,




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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #73 on: September 16, 2013, 03:09:14 AM »
chris

only 2001 there is a mint slip with every single coin.

2008 sheet is resealed


THAT is amazing.  Thanks wg.  I had thought that 2001 was the only year with those barcodes too.

Now wg can you comment if 2001-D was ever packed in same Shanghai wrap too?
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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #74 on: September 16, 2013, 03:17:23 AM »
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