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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #45 on: September 15, 2013, 05:21:38 PM »

@Hippanda

he he, other members asked same thing but per PM and i answered, you instead like me to give light target for law suit, no no my dear, is this also a cultural thing ?  N27

Luke 8:17

17  Nothing is hidden that won’t be exposed. Nor is anything concealed that won’t be made known and brought to the light.


У добру је лако добар бити, на муци се познају јунаци,
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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2013, 05:22:09 PM »
How can "us collectors stick together" if know one know who this mysterious dealer is. Why leave people assuming who this US dealer is. This gives USDealers in general a bad name and that is wrong, there are some excellent dealers that do not deserve this bad wrap.

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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #47 on: September 15, 2013, 05:22:32 PM »
Hippanda,

i know what you mean, ... but i surely not stand for "the german People"...but i got the right to step back, once i don`t feel comfortable enough and you will not get me to change that way  N27

it`s different when you live in the USA, having school lessons of "AMERICAN" history, "American" Geography, "American" policy and so on  N4 excuse me for making this joke...but did you experience my country like i did yours? (and i liked much of ist...). So pleeeeaaaase don´t make it as a regular german Habit, just because the Little wittu acts that way...
Hey...in college prep they were explainig a fridge to me (it makes things cold!) and asked me, if Hit...was still alive.  (1988)  
 
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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2013, 05:25:27 PM »
Funny! LOL!  "if Hit... was still alive"

At least I think so if I understand correctly.

This language barrier thing is real.

Nothing directed at you alone, wittu, its just there are three European / German members in this thread
and none of them will name names, out of fear.  Sad.

Cheers!
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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2013, 05:36:10 PM »
Thanks for your point of view
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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #50 on: September 15, 2013, 06:01:13 PM »
I believe that was the thrust of the thread?

@NBM

So the implication is that A respected NGC anthorized eBay dealer! is in bed with the snakes at APMEX?
FWIW, it is no secret that APMEX plays games with grading and exploits their customers.

Actually I gather from the red highlighted "who is talking about Apmex "right now"" that wittu's hint is : its not Apmex who is the Large US Dealer "who is in Bed"
(And confirmed by eurokrem : "EDIT:  and this big dealer is NOT APMEX !!")

A different LARGE US Distributor is being pointed at, or, actually, winked or nodded at (since its apparently dangerous to give names, initials, or even their street name?)
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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #51 on: September 15, 2013, 06:31:39 PM »
@wg

well, there are more of those fake pouch coins, all of them are from USA big Coin dealer ( not ebay shop ! ) , i have bills and customs protocol for those coins, its clear, those fake pouches are coming from USA  N32

1/20oz Panda

2004 179$
2001 175$
1990 135$
1989 149$

those Prices are OK for OMP Pandas but for those fake sealed coins is this no go, colleague collector has buyed those coins, for me it is clear, i dont buy any coins from USA dealers ever again, Ebay is better, its a scandal  N26

Those people they are running this business should be ashamed.




Can you give us any more information to help make it clearer?
These prices may be common, for example:

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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #52 on: September 15, 2013, 07:17:56 PM »
We are talking Panda America?  :scared:  :cursing:
Now I must go pull my PA purchases to see...
Notice how they label these... generic pictures and all.  >:(




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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #53 on: September 15, 2013, 07:28:47 PM »
And the plot thickens..  Yikes!

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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #54 on: September 15, 2013, 07:30:41 PM »
after market

97, 2000, 2001

http://www.goldseiten-forum.de/index.php?page=Thread&postID=870859#post870859

regards

I failed to read the 2nd page of this, thank you wg for the link!

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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #55 on: September 15, 2013, 07:47:35 PM »
We are talking Panda America?  :scared:  :cursing:
Now I must go pull my PA purchases to see...
Notice how they label these... generic pictures and all.  >:(
 

Generic/stock photos I will never bid on nor buy from. I think it is bad practice for any dealer to do this. Just to say they are too big is not a valid reason.
I want clear pics of the coin I buy and I want a return guarantee. I don't think that is too much to ask of someone who is supposed to be running a reputable business.
PA got big off the sale of CMC and then branched out. If they lose respect of the collector they will eventually lose their business. I will not buy from certain dealer just because of this reason.




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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #56 on: September 15, 2013, 07:56:00 PM »
Is this truly Original Mint Packaging?

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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #57 on: September 15, 2013, 08:25:34 PM »
Hard to tell from the photos- do the ends look right in person?
Also not sure on the small pattern for Shanghai for that year. vs last 50 yuan I saw in OMP yours may have more nubs- 1 or two each dimension- or they may be smaller. Don't know if its material or not. Something tells
me I saw two different patterns for Shanghai on 1990-1992, but I didn't know if smaller pattern one like this was legit or not, so I passed, although the coins appeared nice. They were being sold from China. Seller was confused too, they saw difference in pattern and was told both Shanghai and Shenyang.  Not Shenyang though.
I hope Poconopenn or WG can add their thoughts.

Is your coin perfect?  or does it have minor rim nicks or other imperfections which might knock it down a grade?
« Last Edit: September 15, 2013, 08:51:48 PM by Hippanda »
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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #58 on: September 15, 2013, 08:48:53 PM »
We know which mint's seal should be on them from Peter's post:
       Small Date       Large Date
1990   Shenyang   Shanghai   
1991   Shenyang   Shanghai   
1992   Shenyang   Shanghai   
1993   Shenyang   Shanghai   
1994   Shenyang   Shanghai   
1995   Shenyang   Shanghai   
1996   Shanghai   Shenyang   
1997   Shanghai   Shenyang   
1998   Shanghai   Shenyang   
1999   Shanghai   Shenyang    LD with Serif: Shenzhen   
2000   frosted - Shenzhen & Shanghai?   Mirror-Shanghai

The seal patterns changed over the years?

My '97 G5Y LD from PA has the seal that seems to be "mint correct" from Shenyang and from what I was able to find on eBay at the time of purchase it seemed year correct as well. ?



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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
« Reply #59 on: September 15, 2013, 08:55:00 PM »
Yes, seal pattens have changed over the years. And sometimes even within the same year.
But usually Shanghai (bolder) and Shenyang (finer) were easy to tell apart. Peter's first book had examples
of each Mint wraps near the back of the book I recall.

Yours appears Shenyang wrap (fine), proper for Large Date for that year.

And this following link shows a Shanghai wrap (bolder), proper for Small Date for that year:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/1-20-oz-5-Yuan-Gold-China-Panda-1997-in-Originalfolie-/261250317851?nma=true&si=f294M1Ne9KuK8O0rghnhgJavuSE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557#ht_1518wt_956

Here is a troubling one:  Large Date 1997 which should be in a Shenyang wrap, but appears to be in
a pattern which was found on early-mid 1980 Shanghai, and is the same as the obvious wrong match of the coin in the First post which started this thread:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/1-20-oz-5-Yuan-Gold-China-Panda-1997-in-Originalfolie-/261250317851
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