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Offline fwang2450

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Trial Strikes of 1988 Lunar Dragon Coins
« on: June 11, 2013, 01:00:10 PM »
I finally translated the post on the 1988 Dragon coins:

http://modern-chinese-numismatic-info.blogspot.com/2013/06/trial-strikes-logical-analysis-of-and.html

It is pretty long. It takes some patience to read through it, but it is worth reading as it has both facts and background information.

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Re: Trial Strikes of 1988 Lunar Dragon Coins
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2013, 06:07:55 PM »
Thanks for your hard work!
I think his latest article is better than this one. The 1988 dragon LD can't be trial strike, specially the gold one. No trial strike of MCC can have a mintage around 1000.
Thanks,
Storm

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Re: Trial Strikes of 1988 Lunar Dragon Coins
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2013, 08:25:57 PM »
Thanks for your hard work!
I think his latest article is better than this one. The 1988 dragon LD can't be trial strike, specially the gold one. No trial strike of MCC can have a mintage around 1000.
Thanks,
Storm
Is there any proof that the LD variety has a mintage of 1000? It would be a challenge to him, new findings that he is looking for. I think he did a good job sorting out the varieties. As for the reason of these varieties, his speculation is not entirely convincing. But it is interesting enough to know that the LD variety shares the same obverse with the panda coin of the same year, and the SD variety shares the obverse with the panda coin of the previous year.

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Re: Trial Strikes of 1988 Lunar Dragon Coins
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2013, 08:47:04 PM »
I have personally searched for two years looking for a LD gold dragon, until I found one a few months ago in the US. During my search i only found two, one in China and one in the US, before i found mine making it the third.  In my opinion this coin is rather unique for several reasons;  it is the only lunar coin with different date sizes, and unlike panda LD and SD coins, the obverse design of the temple Is different. 

I have also heard that a sheet exists of the gold LD but I have not seen a pic, and I have also heard the mintage is thought to be 1,000, but no confirmation.  Based on my own research I don't think 1,000 is credible.


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Re: Trial Strikes of 1988 Lunar Dragon Coins
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2013, 09:22:06 PM »
I thought a mintage of 1000 for large date is not unreasonable.  The mintage of the G100Y lunar dragon is 10,000 according to Mr. Ge.  Assuming that includes both large and small date, that would be 9,000 small date and 1000 large date.  So if we conduct a random search of the NGC database before large date is recognized, we should find one large date out of 10.  I did conduct a search of 61 and find 4, so that's 1 in 15.  (http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=8270.0)

The silver 1988 lunar dragon is considerably more rare, 1 out of 100 searched.


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Re: Trial Strikes of 1988 Lunar Dragon Coins
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2013, 01:13:07 AM »
I thought a mintage of 1000 for large date is not unreasonable.  The mintage of the G100Y lunar dragon is 10,000 according to Mr. Ge.  Assuming that includes both large and small date, that would be 9,000 small date and 1000 large date.  So if we conduct a random search of the NGC database before large date is recognized, we should find one large date out of 10.  I did conduct a search of 61 and find 4, so that's 1 in 15.  (http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=8270.0)

The silver 1988 lunar dragon is considerably more rare, 1 out of 100 searched.


Thanks for digging into the NGC database. I have passed your numbers to the author.

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Re: Trial Strikes of 1988 Lunar Dragon Coins
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2013, 11:04:04 AM »
FWIW- if anyone has a large date 1988 silver dragon I would gladly pay $5k to $6k for the coin.

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Re: Trial Strikes of 1988 Lunar Dragon Coins
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2013, 07:28:50 PM »
A relative owns, outside China,  this fabulous twins 1988 Dragons piece -  1oz AU  Yan Variety.
Thank you for sharing  the great article and its outstanding translation.
Please fwang2450 keep us in touch about Quanmo Yishanren research.

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Re: Trial Strikes of 1988 Lunar Dragon Coins
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2013, 08:14:22 PM »
I am unable to translate, using translator tools,  from the original source : I. Dragon Culture and Dragon Coins
Please, any help?

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Re: Trial Strikes of 1988 Lunar Dragon Coins
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2013, 09:53:03 PM »
I am unable to translate, using translator tools,  from the original source : I. Dragon Culture and Dragon Coins
Please, any help?
The author uses image files in his posts, probably to stop pirating of his work. So translation tools won't work. I skipped that section because he quotes some ancient Chinese and it will take quite some time to get the translations right.

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Re: Trial Strikes of 1988 Lunar Dragon Coins
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2013, 02:15:23 AM »
I finally translated the post on the 1988 Dragon coins:

http://modern-chinese-numismatic-info.blogspot.com/2013/06/trial-strikes-logical-analysis-of-and.html

It is pretty long. It takes some patience to read through it, but it is worth reading as it has both facts and background information.

Fascinating article, Frank. Thanks!

Best wishes,
Peter Anthony
China Pricepedia
www.pandacollector.com

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Re: Trial Strikes of 1988 Lunar Dragon Coins
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2013, 08:34:32 AM »
Thank you fwang, the tranlated part did not take some patience to read through it, so interesting.
The author uses image files in his posts, probably to stop pirating of his work. So translation tools won't work. I skipped that section because he quotes some ancient Chinese and it will take quite some time to get the translations right.