[elaine 1970]

the best design or one of the best design silver and gold coins in this universe.  let's talk about it. 

[elaine 1970]

chinese silver panda uncirculated:
2010- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 800,000
2009- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 300,000 (30th anniversary)
2009- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 600,000
2008- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 600,000
2007- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 600,000
2006- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 600,000
2005- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 600,000
2004- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 600,000
2003- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 600,000
2002- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 500,000
2001- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 500,000
2000- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 500,000
1999- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- unkown
1998- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 250,000
1997- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 250,000
1996- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 250,000
1995- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 250,000
1994- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 120,000
1993- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 120,000
1992- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 100,000
1991- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 100,000
1990- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 200,000
1989- 1 ounce- 10 yuan- 255,000

[elaine 1970]

chinese gold panda uncirculated:
2010-- 1 ounce- 500 yuan- 150,000
2009-- 1 ounce- 500 yuan- 150,000
2008-- 1 ounce- 500 yuan- 150,000
2007-- 1 ounce- 500 yuan- 150,000
2006-- 1 ounce- 500 yuan- 115,600
2005-- 1 ounce- 500 yuan-- 50,300
2004-- 1 ounce- 500 yuan-- 55,000
2003-- 1 ounce- 500 yuan-- 36,300
2002-- 1 ounce- 500 yuan-- 28,345
2001-- 1 ounce- 500 yuan-- 41,411
2000-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan-- 29,011
1999-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan-- 32,439
1998-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan-- 20,507
1997-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan-- 30,457
1996-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan-- 22,009
1995-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan-- 17,412
1994-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan-- 24,438
1993-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan-- 40,449
1992-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan-- 41,120
1991-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan-- 36,367
1990-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan-- 53,898
1989-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan- 115,187
1988-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan- 289,055
1987s- 1 ounce- 100 yuan-- 84,000
1987y- 1 ounce- 100 yuan-- 47,000
1986-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan- 107,132
1985-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan--55,539
1984-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan-- 25,183
1983-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan-- 25,363
1982-- 1 ounce- 100 yuan-- 13,532

[elaine 1970]

http://www.pandacollector.com/silver-pandas-2.html

[elaine 1970]

http://www.pandaamerica.com/index002d.asp

[elaine 1970]

try this site: chinese gold and silver panda.

http://www.cointalk.com/t94716/

[elaine 1970]

can the plastic sheet that sealed the capsule and panda silver coin affect the long years of storage?.  is that plastic sheet acid free?.  anyone.  thanks.

[poconopenn]

Visit the following topic in this forum

http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=540.0

[elaine 1970]

thanks poconopenn.  good link.

[elaine 1970]

world and u.s. collectors may try these forums:

forums.collectors.com

coincommunity.com

cointalk.org

[elaine 1970]

now i am addicted to chinese silver panda.  not gold yet.

[elaine 1970]

gold today hit a recent high at $1,228.60/oz.  silver also rise to $18.51/oz.

[qwasty]

It looks like silver rose a little more than twice as much as gold, in percentage.

[elaine 1970]

http://editions.amospublishing.com/WDCN/Default.aspx?d=20100830&pagenum=1&f=0

[qwasty]

I get the following message:

"The requested content is available to paid subscribers."

[elaine 1970]

chinese silver panda one ounce:
1989 -- $55.00
1990 -- $65.00
1991 - $145.00
1992 - $149.00
1993 - $135.00
1994 -- $79.00
1995 -- $45.00
1996 -- $50.00
1997 -- $46.50
1998 -- $87.50
1999 - $149.00
2000 - $175.00
2001 -- $47.50
2002 -- $50.00
2003 -- $57.50
2004 -- $45.00
2005 -- $45.00
2006 -- $50.00
2007 -- $46.50
2008 -- $47.50
2009 -- $32.50
2009 -- $39.00 - 30th annv.
2010 -- $30.15

source: coast to coast

[qwasty]

URL for "coast to coast"?

[elaine 1970]

www.coastcoin.com

[PandaCollector]

Have you ordered from this dealer? If so, what condition were the coins? Sealed or unsealed? Coast-to-Coast Coins calls all their coins "Gem Bu"

Best wishes,
Peter Anthony
http://www.pandacollector.com/

[BobW]

To quote their website, "Our grading is based on Photograde and our interpretation of industry standards." Enough said.

[elaine 1970]

guys.  let's hope we keep talking and discussing panda.  or else this forum might become boring as compare to american coin forums.  let's keep it alive.  thanks all for your cooperation.

[elaine 1970]

try to buy better price.  try apmex.com for bulk price.  try providentmetals.com for few pieces.

[elaine 1970]

i think british britannia and australian lunar series one are better than chinese panda in term of mintage and retail selling prices.

british britannia   
1998---   88,909
1999---   69,394
2000---   81,301
2001---   44,816
2002---   48,816
2003---   73,271
2004-   100,000
2005-   100,000
2006-   100,000
2007-   100,000
2008-   100,000
2009-   100,000
2010-   100,000

australian lunar I   
1999---   63,644
2000-   118,697
2001---   71,301
2002---   99,632
2003-   102,164
2004-   105,680
2005---   92,691
2006---   98,825
2007---   87,009
2008---   59,623
2009---   52,267
2010---   56,077

[qwasty]

Australian lunar coins are very popular. They have been doing very well as collectible investments. Britannia coins are very pretty in my opinion, but I don't know much about them.

[elaine 1970]

others much more in term of mintage:

australian lunar II   
2008---   300,000
2009---   300,000
2010---   300,000

australian koala   
2007---   137,768
2008----   84,057
2009---   336,757

australian kookaburra   
1990---   300,000
1991---   300,000
1992---   300,000
1993---   600,000
1994---   300,000
1995---   300,000
1996---   300,000
1997---   300,000
1998---   300,000
1999---   300,000
2000---   300,000
2001---   300,000
2002---   300,000
2003---   300,000
2004---   300,000
2005---   300,000
2006---   300,000
2007---   300,000
2008---   300,000
2009---   300,000
2010---   300,000

mexican libertad   
1982-   1,050,000
1983-   1,002,200
1984-   1,014,000
1985-   2,017,000
1986-   1,699,426
1987---   500,000
1988-   1,500,500
1989-   1,396,500
1990-   1,200,000
1991-   1,650,518
1992-   2,458,000
1993-   1,000,000
1994---   400,000
1995---   500,000
1996---   300,000
1997---   100,000
1998----   67,000
1999----   95,000
2000---   340,000
2001---   725,000
2002---   850,000
2003---   805,000
2004---   450,000
2005---   698,281
2006---   300,000
2007---   200,000
2008---   950,000
2009-   1,650,000

canadian maple leaf   
1988-   1,062,000
1989-   3,332,200
1990-   1,708,800
1991---   644,300
1992---   343,800
1993-   1,133,900
1994---   889,946
1995---   326,244
1996---   250,445
1997---   100,970
1998---   591,359
1999-   1,229,442
2000---   403,652
2001---   398,563
2002---   576,196
2003---   684,750
2004---   680,925
2005---   955,694
2006-   2,464,727
2007-   3,526,052

[elaine 1970]

american eagle silver:

1986----5,393,005
1987---11,442,335
1988----5,004,646
1989----5,203,327
1990----5,840,110
1991----7,191,066
1992----5,540,068
1993----6,763,762
1994----4,227,319
1995----4,672,051
1996----3,603,386
1997----4,295,004
1998----4,847,549
1999----7,408,640
2000----9,239,132
2001----9,001,771
2002---10,539,026
2003----8,495,008
2004----8,882,754
2005----8,891,025
2006---10,676,522
2007----9,028,036
2008---20,583,000
2009---30,459,000
2010---21,888,500

[qwasty]

I think one reason for the higher mintages of American silver eagles is their high demand in the marketplace. The high demand comes from the fact that fakes don't exist (I've never seen one). The U.S. Government is vicious in prosecuting people who make coins that have any remote possibility of being confused with American coinage.

China seems to have no control over the reputation of their coins, with fakes sometimes being more common in the marketplace than genuine coins. If the Panda's had the respect that American silver eagles have, I'm sure they would be able to sell far more than just 0.6 million of them - compared to the USA's 10 to 30 million!

[elaine 1970]

new york silver close friday aug.20,2010 at $18.02 bid and 18.04 ask.  

to buy chinese silver panda from provident metals.  add $7.49 to $18.04 = $25.53.  plus shipping charge.  1 pc cost $5.95. 10 pc cost $8.95.  100 pc cost $16.95.  so if you are buying one piece only.  the selling price will be $25.53 + $5.95 = $31.48.  your cost will be lower if you buy more pieces.  like buying 10 pc. your shipping cost will be $0.90 each coin.  100 pc your shipping cost will only cost you $0.17 each.

to sell chinese silver panda to apmex.  add $4.00 to $18.02 = $22.02. you pay for shipping charge and packing fee.

summary:  if you want to play buy and sell for these physical metal.  it is very hard to make profit.  you only buy it.  because you are a collector and that is your hobby.  period.  don't sell.  buy minimal,  and enjoy it.  now if you want to play.  buy silver or gold mining stocks.

[elaine 1970]

gold expected to hit $1,350.00 - $1,375.00 an by the end of the year.  silver should pass $20.00 easily.

[elaine 1970]

gold high today - $1,242.20/oz.
silver high today - $18.84/oz.

[elaine 1970]

http://www.kitco.com/Exclusive-News/

[elaine 1970]

my new prediction for gold:
year end 2010 - $1,300.00 to $1,350.00
two years from now - $1,650.00
five years from now - $2,300.00

as for silver:
end of 2010 - $20.50
end of 2012 - $25.50
end of 2015 - $36.00 to $40.00

my advise.  do not sell your coins.  just hold on to it.  specially chinese panda.

[elaine 1970]

i recommend you guys join the cointalk.org forum.  it's international.  you can also check and see my thread there.  thanks.

[qwasty]

I looked at that forum. It's interesting, but not dedicated to Chinese coins like this one is.

[elaine 1970]

what other active chinese coin forums in english version or chinese language?.  can you re-comment some?. thanks.

[qwasty]

This is the best (only) one in English. In Chinese, there are many choices. Here's two:

http://www.jibi.net
http://www.jb008.cn

[elaine 1970]

thanks qwasty.  other chinese coin forum or dealers sites?.

[qwasty]

The best dealers usually don't have websites. The ones that do have websites can't keep them up to date. Demand is so high for Chinese coins that they stay very busy. On top of that, the Chinese coin market is new, so most dealers are new also.

If there's something in particular you are interested in, I might be able to recommend a dealer.

[elaine 1970]

if you say demand for chinese coins is very high and busy.  why the american were able to acquire so many chinese panda?.  let's say 2010 silver panda production at 800,000 and sold out within two to three months.  how you estimate the chinese mainlanders or chinese dealers bought the silver panda.  how many percentage you think the chinese acquire in mainland?.

are they also buying american gold and silver bullion coins produce from the u.s. mint?.  how strong is this american coins?.  who or which dealers are the buyers?. any name and address or tel number or website?.

[PandaCollector]

Why are so many Pandas shipped abroad? Remember, Pandas were originally created as export items so the Chinese Mint has longstanding commitments to supply their foreign dealer network. I do wonder, though, could it have been growing domestic demand that prompted them to do an extra run of 200,000 silver Pandas this year? Those additional coins wouldn't have been allocated for export. If that's true, Chinese domestic demand could well be greater than 200,000 per year – maybe much greater.

Best wishes,
Peter Anthony
www.pandacollector.com

[elaine 1970]

thanks PandaCollector.  i also knew that most chinese like gold.  thus most gold panda might be in the hand of chinese.  but since chinese knew a little about preservation on the gold coins.  thus to find a really b.u. panda gold coin might be very hard.  right?.

[PandaCollector]

thanks PandaCollector.  i also knew that most chinese like gold.  thus most gold panda might be in the hand of chinese.  but since chinese knew a little about preservation on the gold coins.  thus to find a really b.u. panda gold coin might be very hard.  right?.

If you look back at the earliest marketing materials for Pandas it is clear that the Chinese Mint hoped their new export line of coins would find success as both bullion items and as jewelry. I have an old multi-page brochure filled with samples of Panda jewelry.

The strong demand from collectors must have been a surprise. In any case, for many years large numbers of coins were exported and traded for their metal content. As such they weren't handled carefully (I've seen them stacked by the hundreds) and most suffered damage to some degree. Some were even melted down by jewelers and the gold used in pins, bracelets, etc. Add to this some quality control issues at the Mint and the quantity of nice B.U. Pandas left today for collectors is not large. So you are right that finding a nice B.U. gold Panda for some dates can be very hard.

For a non-circulating coin that has a solid collector base, it is my impression that no other kind of modern coin has suffered as much attrition as the Panda — and probably no other series has as many sleepers.

Best wishes,
Peter Anthony
wwww.pandacollector.com

[qwasty]

Is there a list of the top "sleeper" coins anywhere? I tried to start one for key coins here:

http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=742.0

[PandaCollector]

Please forgive the self-promotion, but the Gold and Silver Panda Coin Buyer's Guide (http://www.pandacollector.com/buyersguide3.html) has years of research and 18 months of writing on this topic in it. Both descriptions and population estimates of coins my research suggests are sleepers are there. I haven't seen anything else like it for Pandas (which is why I wrote it), although there are some older comments on 1 oz. Pandas posted in the gold section of pandacollector.com. I sincerely hope that's a useful answer.

Best wishes,
Peter Anthony
wwww.pandacollector.com

[qwasty]

Oh, I was going to buy the book when I got the money for it, but I completely forgot. I just bought it now. Thanks.

[elaine 1970]

i wish i can borrow from you.

[elaine 1970]

why won't the bank of china mark the mint mark on the chinese gold and silver panda?.  like shanghai mint - SH.  sheng yang mint - SY.  and shenzhen mint - SZ.

[PandaCollector]

why won't the bank of china mark the mint mark on the chinese gold and silver panda?.  like shanghai mint - SH.  sheng yang mint - SY.  and shenzhen mint - SZ.

I have spoken on this subject to someone with very good connections to the Chinese Mint. From their perspective it is complicated and were resistant to the idea. Another American and I pressed our case that the Mint would sell many more coins but I don't think we convinced anyone. It was a really good example of how different views can be on one subject.

Best wishes,
Peter Anthony
wwww.pandacollector.com

[elaine 1970]

o.k.  so they are different.  now i just bought two sheets (30 each) of chinese silver panda dated 2010.  those were frosted and proof-like.  it minted at shenzhen.  now my question is?.  should i open the sheet and put those coins individually inside the whitman blue boxes?.  will it affect the price in the future?.

[qwasty]

For the kind of money you're spending on common coins, you could buy some much more rare coins. Common coins have little or no potential to increase in value. Rare coins can increase in value indefinitely.

In fact, it's possible that 2010 pandas are common enough that they may actually drop in value. You're better off putting your money into something else if you're doing it with the future in mind.

[elaine 1970]

gold high for today is $1,252.70/oz.  while silver high also inch up to $19.59/oz.  prediction goes as high as $1,500.00 for gold.  silver should go up too.

[elaine 1970]

gold high now posted at $1,255.50/oz. silver at $19.59/oz.  how does it affect the chinese gold and silver coins?.

[PandaCollector]

o.k.  so they are different.  now i just bought two sheets (30 each) of chinese silver panda dated 2010.  those were frosted and proof-like.  it minted at shenzhen.  now my question is?.  should i open the sheet and put those coins individually inside the whitman blue boxes?.  will it affect the price in the future?.

I haven't tried Whitman holders, just Air-Tites. They have done a good job of preserving my coins so far. I also think that Qwasty's advice to look at scarcer coins as well as common dates is something to consider. There is probably greater potential – and risk – for high price gains in those. Common date silver Pandas should/will increase in value as silver itself climbs, too.

On the topic of how do rising metals prices affect the Panda market? It creates excitement and interest in precious metals and rare coins in general, draws new customers into coin stores where they see and buy collectible coins, encourages current owners of coins (including Pandas) to buy more and benefits the field overall. It's a big positive as I see it.

Best wishes,
Peter Anthony
wwww.pandacollector.com

[elaine 1970]

thanks both of you for the advise.  can you guys tell me the average selling from china for all the chinese silver panda from 1989 to present.

[elaine 1970]

new current high for gold and silver.  gold high at $1,256.00/oz,  and silver high at $19.69/oz.

all time gold high - $1,266.30/oz.
2010 silver high - $19.84/oz.

i bought 76 pieces of 2010 chinese silver panda at $25.07 each.  currently they are selling at $27.07 each.

[qwasty]

Palladium topped $500 again today. These are interesting summaries of each week's action in precious metals:

http://www.wwpmc.com/newsroom/index.html

[elaine 1970]

wow.  that is a very long link.  thanks.

[qwasty]

No problem. The link changes at the end of every week to show new information for the current week, and the latest forecasts.

[elaine 1970]

welcome you both to the cointalk.org  qwasty and pandacollector.  hope you will like it.