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Offline Hippanda

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2013, 02:26:47 AM »
So mismatched  "B" and other versions, are either restrikes or worse- copies?
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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2013, 03:13:43 AM »
So mismatched  "B" and other versions, are either restrikes or worse- copies?

According to RAREMEDAL (the last sentence of SANDAC's translation)- "Of the three versions above, I only observed two in person.  The first one only appears in books, whether it is real will need more insights from the forum. ..."

So there is uncertainty even about version 'A'.
What about the soft pouches? Aren't early 80's coins/medals supposed to be unsealed?

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2013, 03:28:43 AM »
Yes.

Exactly.

So the ramifications are...?
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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2013, 09:11:45 PM »
WOW!  Asking a question got me a smite.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2013, 09:42:44 PM »
WOW!  Asking a question got me a smite.

Sorry to hear that, especially when your questions are valid. Since not much known about these medals and they are not seen for sale often it is reasonable to ask these questions. There are evidences of few varieties including silver plated sets and not much clear and solid information that can be used to determine what is real, fake, re-strike or even what is the official mint release looks like.

Not long ago the same questions were asked in previous thread before there was any set offered for sale on eBay.

Here it is -
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=5236.0

 

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2013, 11:54:02 PM »
IMO, "coinex" listed set is "A" version mentioned in RAREMEDAL's article, with identical design to the original as shown in the attached pictures. NGC or PCGS can determine if this is 80% silver or plated by testing its specific gravity.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2013, 02:07:19 AM »
A silver plated variety is auctioned on Zhaoonline. Auction ends on Feb-15.

http://www.zhaoonline.com/zhongguodangdaijinyinbi/1976997.shtml

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2013, 08:21:41 PM »
A silver plated variety is auctioned on Zhaoonline. Auction ends on Feb-15.

http://www.zhaoonline.com/zhongguodangdaijinyinbi/1976997.shtml

According to NGC the silver plated monk set selling on Zhaoonline is a restrike. From their email:

"Our sources at the mints have told us that this set of 1980 in silver was re-struck in 1992 in silver plated brass at a satellite office in Shanghai. There are many satellite offices that mint products officially for the Shanghai Mint but many others mint stuff without permission from the mint due to no regulations. NGC has been very careful accepting these kinds of products for grading."


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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2013, 08:30:50 PM »
According to NGC the silver plated monk set selling on Zhaoonline is a restrike. From their email:

"Our sources at the mints have told us that this set of 1980 in silver was re-struck in 1992 in silver plated brass at a satellite office in Shanghai. There are many satellite offices that mint products officially for the Shanghai Mint but many others mint stuff without permission from the mint due to no regulations. NGC has been very careful accepting these kinds of products for grading."



Satellite office=private mint?

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2013, 08:26:47 AM »
Satellite office=private mint?

NGC's reply:

"Yes. The Shanghai mint has many times used other smaller minting offices to fulfill orders. These satellite offices can also mint for private use with or without the permission of the Shanghai Mint. There is no regulation or at least at that time. More than likely there would be no COA on these but not sure 100%. NGC in this case would require a COA so we know it is a legit medal from a Shanghai Mint product. There are so many medals that are privately issued and it gets really confusing for us to determine what is a legit project from the Shanghai Mint. This is why we really need verification from a COA."

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2013, 05:42:09 PM »
...graded & encapsulated by NGC in a multi-coin holder some years ago...

Was this set graded under year 1980?

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2013, 06:29:57 PM »
Hmm.  Nevermind.  I finally got it shown up in the census.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2013, 12:05:02 PM »
Sharing plated and opening to discussion.

All 4 have straight reeded edge.  All 4 have diameter of 30mm and 2mm thickness.

Inscription:  9.72 g
JinTang Temple:  9.52 g
Sailing Ship:  9.60 g
WenFeng Tower:  9.64 g


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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2013, 03:27:57 PM »
So this set has the obverse/reverse pairing of version B, like the way it is shown in
http://bbs.jibi.net/UploadFile/2008-4/20084131485553122.jpg

The table poconopenn posted above showed the silver version has 80% fineness which should have a relatively muted appearance whereas these pictures are very bright like silver plated coins, just as you've indicated.  So version B is a silver plated version then?  Do you know whether NGC will grade this set?

Edit:  I looked at the table from poconopenn again and just realize something doesn't quite added up:  The "Pure Silver Content (g)" is stated as 11.747g but "Weight (g)" is 12.7g, so fineness should be 11.747/12.7=92.5%.  "Fineness" is stated as 80%.  That doesn't compute.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2013, 06:56:38 PM »
I do not know if NGC will grade this set.  As you can see, they are not in the best condition.  Hate to waste the time and dollar on items of these condition.

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I am looking for a plated in top condition.