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1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« on: February 05, 2013, 04:14:20 PM »
I'm not going to ask if real or fake.

I will ask if they are produced by mint(s) or not?  Solid silver or plated?  Realistic market price?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/China-1980-Silver-Jiazhen-Medal-Set-/221186369242

Thought/opinion/info to share?
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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2013, 05:01:52 PM »
Fortunately, I own a set of High Monk Jianzhen Returning to China on Tour Exhibition Commemorative medals.  My set was authenticated, graded & encapsulated by NGC in a multi-coin holder some years ago.  After purchasing the original set, I have looked for a second set for my collection.  Two years ago, in the Madian coin & stamp market in Beijing, I saw a silver plated set in double plastic.  Last August, at the coin show in Kowloon, I saw another silver plated set in double plastic.  The Beijing set was priced at $450.  I did not ask the price of the set in Kowloon.

Long ago, I learned to not purchase another person's problem.  If you have the interest in this set at this price, contact the seller and ask them to submit the set to NGC for authentication before completing the transaction.  A fair request.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2013, 05:16:41 PM »
Great advice.

Coinex- why have you not sent this set in for grading?
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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2013, 06:12:59 PM »
I'm not going to ask if real or fake.

I will ask if they are produced by mint(s) or not?  Solid silver or plated?  Realistic market price?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/China-1980-Silver-Jiazhen-Medal-Set-/221186369242

Thought/opinion/info to share?
RAREMEDAL is the expert on this. Here are his posts on this medal set:

http://bbs.jibi.net/dispbbs.asp?boardid=176&id=140374&page=&star=1

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2013, 08:17:37 PM »
RAREMEDAL is the expert on this. Here are his posts on this medal set:

http://bbs.jibi.net/dispbbs.asp?boardid=176&id=140374&page=&star=1


Can someone translate the 'B' and 'C' varieties? Google translate isn't clear enough.
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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2013, 09:30:11 PM »
Can someone translate the full article?  Bing translator (http://www.bing.com/translator/) + Google translator give a pretty good sense.  Still a human translator is much better.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2013, 10:21:21 PM »
目前我知道的鉴真纪念章,有6种(直径30mm的有5种,直径60mm的有1种)
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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2013, 12:07:49 AM »
Great advice.

Coinex- why have you not sent this set in for grading?

It came in recently and we need to wait a bit more before we have enough coins to send in for a bulk submission. I would expedite the submission and ensure it is appropriately authenticated if there is a buyer interested on the forum. 10% deposit required which would only be refundable if it did not check out as expected of course.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2013, 12:13:18 AM »
目前我知道的鉴真纪念章,有6种(直径30mm的有5种,直径60mm的有1种)
Translation: As far as I know, there are 6 types of Jianzhen commemorative medals (5 with a diameter of 30mm, the other with a diameter of 60mm).

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2013, 12:17:45 AM »
RAREMEDAL is the expert on this. Here are his posts on this medal set:

http://bbs.jibi.net/dispbbs.asp?boardid=176&id=140374&page=&star=1

前些日子,玉可求兄在QQ告诉我1980年鉴真和尚银章一二版的区别!使我对此很是感兴趣,于是我后来认真观察发现“1980年鉴真和尚银章”可能有3个版的出现!我且称他们为A.B.C版!下面我说说三个版的区别!
A版:和《中国现代贵金属纪念币目录》相同!这个版大家可以查看图录!我目前还没见过实物!
B板:鉴真渡海一枚后面和印章一枚背后没有“1980,中国造币公司”字!其他和A版一样!网络“艺海”兄弟的相片就是此版!
C版!鉴真渡海一枚后面和印章一枚背后没有“1980,中国造币公司”字!且印章一枚的章文是“唐鉴真回国探亲纪念”且下面有“1980”。此版我手上有一套,是上海卢工曾庆先生在香港钱币博览会上带回的,胶封老化,胶壳开裂,因为难以保存,被我拆开入装进海棉定位盒。
因为上币出的纪念章都是银铜都各自有发行的,比如我见过的《古塔》《金鱼》等!我没见过鉴真和尚铜章,后来看到祖康先生有文说:“很多鉴真铜章镀银制成假银章!”无风不起浪,我推测鉴真和尚真的是发行过4枚一套铜章的……
以上三版,实物只见过后2者!前者只出现过在书目,至于是否真存在,还需要大家指教……


A few days ago, Mr. 玉可求 told me on QQ  about the differences of the two version of 1980 jianzhen monk silver medal! I was quite interested, so I seriously studied the "1980, monk jianzhen Silver medal" and discovered that they may have 3 varieties! I call them A,B, and C version! Let me talk about the differences between the three versions!
A version: is same as the "Modern Chinese Precious Metal Commemorative Coins Catalogue" [Mr Ge's book]! You can look at the catalog to examine this verson.  So far I have not seen it in person!  [edit: the set for sale on eBay from coinex looks like version A]
B version: The reverse of the coin depicting Jianzhen-crossing-the-sea and the coin with the seal do not have the date "1980" and the pharse "China mint"!  Other coins are the same as A version.   The pictures posted by friend with the Internet moniker of "艺海" are this version!
C version!: The reverse of the coin depicting Jianzhen-crossing-the-sea and the coin with the seal do not have the date "1980" and the pharse "China mint"!  Furthermore, the writing on the seal is "唐鉴真回国探亲纪念"  ("Commemorate the return of Tang Jianzhen") and there is a date "1980" underneath the seal.  [edit: the writing on the seal of A version is "鉴真大師?回国纪念"]  I have a set of this version.  It was brought back from Hong Kong Coin Expositionis by Mr. 曾庆 of Shanghai Lu Gong.  The seals are cracked due to aging.  It is difficult to preserve them like that so I open and put them in foam capsules.
Because Shanghai issued medal in both silver and brass versions, such as the Pagoda and Goldfish, yet I have not seen a brass version of Jianzhen monk.  Late I saw Mr Ge wrote that "many Jianzhen monk brass medals are silver plated to make fake silver medals!"  So I infer that there must be a brass version of Jianzhen monk...
Of the three versions above, I only observed two in person.  The first one only appears in books, whether it is real will need more insights from the forum. ...

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2013, 12:35:31 AM »
Thank you SANDAC, it is a great help.

The article also talks about mixed reverses as one of the photo shows, is it correct or I got it wrong? To which variety out of the 3 it refers too?

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2013, 01:45:49 AM »
Gilmore-
You have found and sold a few plated and restrikes of pagodas, if I am not mistaken.

Would you be confident enough to bid A high amount on a set with mis-matched sides?
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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2013, 01:55:13 AM »
Gilmore-
You have found and sold a few plated and restrikes of pagodas, if I am not mistaken.

Would you be confident enough to bid this much on a set with mis-matched sides?

Hippanda, I am not sure what you mean.

This is what I am asking about - http://bbs.jibi.net/UploadFile/2008-4/20084131485553122.jpg
It is from the link fwang posted earlier.


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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2013, 02:15:27 AM »
Yes, that is what I am referring to.

You have seen and maybe sold restrikes Pagodas?

Would you be comfortable bidding on a set with mis-matched obverse and reverse, indicating that perhaps they are not original, but maybe restrikes?

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2013, 02:16:43 AM »
Thank you SANDAC, it is a great help.

The article also talks about mixed reverses as one of the photo shows, is it correct or I got it wrong? To which variety out of the 3 it refers too?
In the subsequent discussion, a forum member stated that B version has a different obverse/reverse pairing than the A version.  The picture with 4 lines connecting the obverses and reverses is the obverse/reverse pairing of the B version.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2013, 02:26:47 AM »
So mismatched  "B" and other versions, are either restrikes or worse- copies?
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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2013, 03:13:43 AM »
So mismatched  "B" and other versions, are either restrikes or worse- copies?

According to RAREMEDAL (the last sentence of SANDAC's translation)- "Of the three versions above, I only observed two in person.  The first one only appears in books, whether it is real will need more insights from the forum. ..."

So there is uncertainty even about version 'A'.
What about the soft pouches? Aren't early 80's coins/medals supposed to be unsealed?

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2013, 03:28:43 AM »
Yes.

Exactly.

So the ramifications are...?
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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2013, 09:11:45 PM »
WOW!  Asking a question got me a smite.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2013, 09:42:44 PM »
WOW!  Asking a question got me a smite.

Sorry to hear that, especially when your questions are valid. Since not much known about these medals and they are not seen for sale often it is reasonable to ask these questions. There are evidences of few varieties including silver plated sets and not much clear and solid information that can be used to determine what is real, fake, re-strike or even what is the official mint release looks like.

Not long ago the same questions were asked in previous thread before there was any set offered for sale on eBay.

Here it is -
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=5236.0

 

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2013, 11:54:02 PM »
IMO, "coinex" listed set is "A" version mentioned in RAREMEDAL's article, with identical design to the original as shown in the attached pictures. NGC or PCGS can determine if this is 80% silver or plated by testing its specific gravity.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2013, 02:07:19 AM »
A silver plated variety is auctioned on Zhaoonline. Auction ends on Feb-15.

http://www.zhaoonline.com/zhongguodangdaijinyinbi/1976997.shtml

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2013, 08:21:41 PM »
A silver plated variety is auctioned on Zhaoonline. Auction ends on Feb-15.

http://www.zhaoonline.com/zhongguodangdaijinyinbi/1976997.shtml

According to NGC the silver plated monk set selling on Zhaoonline is a restrike. From their email:

"Our sources at the mints have told us that this set of 1980 in silver was re-struck in 1992 in silver plated brass at a satellite office in Shanghai. There are many satellite offices that mint products officially for the Shanghai Mint but many others mint stuff without permission from the mint due to no regulations. NGC has been very careful accepting these kinds of products for grading."


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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2013, 08:30:50 PM »
According to NGC the silver plated monk set selling on Zhaoonline is a restrike. From their email:

"Our sources at the mints have told us that this set of 1980 in silver was re-struck in 1992 in silver plated brass at a satellite office in Shanghai. There are many satellite offices that mint products officially for the Shanghai Mint but many others mint stuff without permission from the mint due to no regulations. NGC has been very careful accepting these kinds of products for grading."



Satellite office=private mint?

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2013, 08:26:47 AM »
Satellite office=private mint?

NGC's reply:

"Yes. The Shanghai mint has many times used other smaller minting offices to fulfill orders. These satellite offices can also mint for private use with or without the permission of the Shanghai Mint. There is no regulation or at least at that time. More than likely there would be no COA on these but not sure 100%. NGC in this case would require a COA so we know it is a legit medal from a Shanghai Mint product. There are so many medals that are privately issued and it gets really confusing for us to determine what is a legit project from the Shanghai Mint. This is why we really need verification from a COA."

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2013, 05:42:09 PM »
...graded & encapsulated by NGC in a multi-coin holder some years ago...

Was this set graded under year 1980?

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2013, 06:29:57 PM »
Hmm.  Nevermind.  I finally got it shown up in the census.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2013, 12:05:02 PM »
Sharing plated and opening to discussion.

All 4 have straight reeded edge.  All 4 have diameter of 30mm and 2mm thickness.

Inscription:  9.72 g
JinTang Temple:  9.52 g
Sailing Ship:  9.60 g
WenFeng Tower:  9.64 g


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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2013, 03:27:57 PM »
So this set has the obverse/reverse pairing of version B, like the way it is shown in
http://bbs.jibi.net/UploadFile/2008-4/20084131485553122.jpg

The table poconopenn posted above showed the silver version has 80% fineness which should have a relatively muted appearance whereas these pictures are very bright like silver plated coins, just as you've indicated.  So version B is a silver plated version then?  Do you know whether NGC will grade this set?

Edit:  I looked at the table from poconopenn again and just realize something doesn't quite added up:  The "Pure Silver Content (g)" is stated as 11.747g but "Weight (g)" is 12.7g, so fineness should be 11.747/12.7=92.5%.  "Fineness" is stated as 80%.  That doesn't compute.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2013, 06:56:38 PM »
I do not know if NGC will grade this set.  As you can see, they are not in the best condition.  Hate to waste the time and dollar on items of these condition.

P.S.
I am looking for a plated in top condition.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2013, 10:31:56 PM »
Actually I thought the coins look really good.  The sailing ship seems to have scratches, but then it could also be byproduct of silver plating process.  Silver plated coins of that vintage seldom receive PF69 grade.  PF68 is an excellent grade for silver plated. 

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2013, 08:29:47 PM »
So this set has the obverse/reverse pairing of version B, like the way it is shown in
http://bbs.jibi.net/UploadFile/2008-4/20084131485553122.jpg

The table poconopenn posted above showed the silver version has 80% fineness which should have a relatively muted appearance whereas these pictures are very bright like silver plated coins, just as you've indicated.  So version B is a silver plated version then?  Do you know whether NGC will grade this set?

Edit:  I looked at the table from poconopenn again and just realize something doesn't quite added up:  The "Pure Silver Content (g)" is stated as 11.747g but "Weight (g)" is 12.7g, so fineness should be 11.747/12.7=92.5%.  "Fineness" is stated as 80%.  That doesn't compute.

The red book suggests the weight of this medal is 13 gm and silver content is 80%, while Mr Ge's book also suggests the weight is 13 gm, but no silver content is mentioned.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2013, 09:07:30 PM »
... Do you know whether NGC will grade this set? ...
From Max Spiegel of NGC "Thanks for the question. We do not currently certify these medals."  My question was regarding silver plated medals.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2013, 08:10:03 AM »
Thank you SANDAC, it is a great help.

The article also talks about mixed reverses as one of the photo shows, is it correct or I got it wrong? To which variety out of the 3 it refers too?

  I have seen a "mixmatched" reverse set in person & passed on it due to, never being aware of it.
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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2013, 08:11:57 AM »
A silver plated variety is auctioned on Zhaoonline. Auction ends on Feb-15.

http://www.zhaoonline.com/zhongguodangdaijinyinbi/1976997.shtml


What did it sell for???
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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2013, 08:22:15 AM »

What did it sell for???

RMB 2250 not including 3% buyers premium (USD 360)

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2013, 06:44:28 PM »
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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2013, 03:22:15 PM »
The set graded:

1980   CHINA   JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO WENFENG TOWER-SILVER-30MM   MEDAL    PF 69 MATTE      
1980   CHINA   JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO JINTANG TEMPLE-SILVER30MM   MEDAL    PF 70 MATTE      
1980   CHINA   JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO INSCRIPTION-SILVER-30MM   MEDAL    PF 69 MATTE      
1980   CHINA   JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO SAILING SHIP-SILVER-30MM   MEDAL    PF 69 MATTE   

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Offline Gilmore

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2013, 06:55:11 PM »
Congrats. Excellent grades..

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2014, 10:47:32 PM »
Sharing.

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Gold-Color Plated

All 4 have smooth edge.  All 4 have 30mm diameter and 2mm thickness.

Inscription:      9.90 g
Jintang Temple:  10.10 g
Sailing Ship:    10.09 g
Wenfeng Tower:   10.20 g

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Silver-Color Plated

All 4 have straight reeded edge.  All 4 have 30mm diameter and 2mm thickness.

Inscription:      9.72 g
JinTang Temple:  9.52 g
Sailing Ship:    9.60 g
WenFeng Tower:   9.64 g

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Silver

All 4 have ??? edge.  All 4 have 30mm diameter and ?mm thickness.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2014, 01:31:39 AM »
Sharing.

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Gold-Color Plated

All 4 have smooth edge.  All 4 have 30mm diameter and 2mm thickness.

Inscription:      9.90 g
Jintang Temple:  10.10 g
Sailing Ship:    10.09 g
Wenfeng Tower:   10.20 g

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Silver-Color Plated

All 4 have straight reeded edge.  All 4 have 30mm diameter and 2mm thickness.

Inscription:      9.72 g
JinTang Temple:  9.52 g
Sailing Ship:    9.60 g
WenFeng Tower:   9.64 g

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Silver

All 4 have ??? edge.  All 4 have 30mm diameter and ?mm thickness.
Thanks for sharing. Is the first set gold plated or brass?

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2014, 02:06:28 AM »
Thanks for sharing. Is the first set gold plated or brass?

I believe it's plated; not sure.  Here are hi-res pictures.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2014, 04:47:42 AM »
NGC graded specimens:

2770489-032;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO INSCRIPTION-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;PLATED ;;;
2770489-033;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO JINTANG TEMPLE-SILVER30MM;MEDAL;PLATED ;;;
2770489-034;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO SAILING SHIP-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;PLATED ;;;
2770489-035;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO WENFENG TOWER-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;PLATED ;;;
3395989-018;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO WENFENG TOWER- BRASS-30MM;MEDAL;MS 67;;;
3395989-019;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO JINTANG TEMPLE-BRASS 30MM;MEDAL;MS 68;;;
3395989-020;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO INSCRIPTION - BRASS -30MM;MEDAL;MS 68;;;
3395989-021;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO WENFENG TOWER- BRASS-30MM;MEDAL;MS 68;;;
3551145-007;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO INSCRIPTION-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;NOT GENUINE ;;;
3551145-008;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO JINTANG TEMPLE-SILVER30MM;MEDAL;NOT GENUINE ;;;
3551145-009;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO WENFENG TOWER-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;NOT GENUINE ;;;
3551145-010;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO SAILING SHIP-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;NOT GENUINE ;;;
3552391-001;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO SAILING SHIP-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;NOT GENUINE ;;;
3552391-002;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO INSCRIPTION-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;NOT GENUINE ;;;
3552391-003;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO WENFENG TOWER-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;NOT GENUINE ;;;
3552391-004;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO JINTANG TEMPLE-SILVER30MM;MEDAL;NOT GENUINE ;;;
3640703-022;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO INSCRIPTION-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;PF 69 MATTE http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/d2049d64-cafe-43b5-b05d-4bafab3c0686_obv.jpg http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/d2049d64-cafe-43b5-b05d-4bafab3c0686_rev.jpg;
3640703-023;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO WENFENG TOWER-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;PF 69 MATTE http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/366bade2-c6f4-4838-9dbb-cc6b9159a7fc_obv.jpg http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/366bade2-c6f4-4838-9dbb-cc6b9159a7fc_rev.jpg;
3640703-024;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO JINTANG TEMPLE-SILVER30MM;MEDAL;PF 69 MATTE http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/17c81fab-872d-4f42-9d56-79b750af64e2_obv.jpg http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/17c81fab-872d-4f42-9d56-79b750af64e2_rev.jpg;
3640703-025;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO SAILING SHIP-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;PF 69 MATTE http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/9bb4e463-d0c2-47fd-99b2-b1bf8aaa1533_obv.jpg http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/9bb4e463-d0c2-47fd-99b2-b1bf8aaa1533_rev.jpg;
3775379-018;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO WENFENG TOWER-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;PF 69 MATTE http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/216c0b7a-fd43-4084-a138-79dbb4f08afb_obv.jpg http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/216c0b7a-fd43-4084-a138-79dbb4f08afb_rev.jpg;
3775379-019;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO JINTANG TEMPLE-SILVER30MM;MEDAL;PF 70 MATTE http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/bec550e1-85af-4f08-8293-8d532ff1dcac_obv.jpg http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/bec550e1-85af-4f08-8293-8d532ff1dcac_rev.jpg;
3775379-020;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO INSCRIPTION-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;PF 69 MATTE http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/20c842ed-a822-4f1b-9dfb-5c62722d637d_obv.jpg http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/20c842ed-a822-4f1b-9dfb-5c62722d637d_rev.jpg;
3775379-021;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO SAILING SHIP-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;PF 69 MATTE http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/159c2b11-d2b6-4a7d-9cea-00abe9119615_obv.jpg http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/159c2b11-d2b6-4a7d-9cea-00abe9119615_rev.jpg;
3785977-028;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO INSCRIPTION - 30mm;SILVER;PF 69 MATTE http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/04f9bcc1-278c-400f-a7b2-698f4f728182_obv.jpg http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/04f9bcc1-278c-400f-a7b2-698f4f728182_rev.jpg;
3785977-029;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO WENFENG TOWER - 30mm;SILVER;PF 69 MATTE http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/5ddfb774-8aa4-48fd-90f5-ca934eafbe82_obv.jpg http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/5ddfb774-8aa4-48fd-90f5-ca934eafbe82_rev.jpg;
3785977-030;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO SAILING SHIP - 30mm;SILVER;PF 69 MATTE http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/ccb53c6e-ecf4-4c6f-a905-00430f338181_obv.jpg http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/ccb53c6e-ecf4-4c6f-a905-00430f338181_rev.jpg;
3785977-031;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO JINTANG TEMPLE - 30mm;SILVER;PF 70 MATTE http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/59e4aed9-a6ea-4d3b-8689-daba23c5c13c_obv.jpg http://s3.amazonaws.com:80/ngc-images/59e4aed9-a6ea-4d3b-8689-daba23c5c13c_rev.jpg;

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2014, 11:04:12 AM »
NGC graded specimens:

2770489-032;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO INSCRIPTION-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;PLATED ;;;
2770489-033;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO JINTANG TEMPLE-SILVER30MM;MEDAL;PLATED ;;;
2770489-034;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO SAILING SHIP-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;PLATED ;;;
2770489-035;1980 CHINA JIANZHEN TOURING EXPO WENFENG TOWER-SILVER-30MM;MEDAL;PLATED ;;;
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No images and "Total Graded at" is blank.

According to Max Spiegel of NGC from last year March, NGC does not grade plated.  Hmm.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2014, 09:36:27 PM »
I believe it's plated; not sure.  Here are hi-res pictures.
Thanks for the high res pictures. Due to the lighting, I still cannot conclude whether it is gold plated or brass. But the numerous dots on the surface resemble those on my brass set. I have not seen any gold plated version, though. I will ask those in China to give their opinion.