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1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« on: February 05, 2013, 04:14:20 PM »
I'm not going to ask if real or fake.

I will ask if they are produced by mint(s) or not?  Solid silver or plated?  Realistic market price?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/China-1980-Silver-Jiazhen-Medal-Set-/221186369242

Thought/opinion/info to share?
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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2013, 05:01:52 PM »
Fortunately, I own a set of High Monk Jianzhen Returning to China on Tour Exhibition Commemorative medals.  My set was authenticated, graded & encapsulated by NGC in a multi-coin holder some years ago.  After purchasing the original set, I have looked for a second set for my collection.  Two years ago, in the Madian coin & stamp market in Beijing, I saw a silver plated set in double plastic.  Last August, at the coin show in Kowloon, I saw another silver plated set in double plastic.  The Beijing set was priced at $450.  I did not ask the price of the set in Kowloon.

Long ago, I learned to not purchase another person's problem.  If you have the interest in this set at this price, contact the seller and ask them to submit the set to NGC for authentication before completing the transaction.  A fair request.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2013, 05:16:41 PM »
Great advice.

Coinex- why have you not sent this set in for grading?
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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2013, 06:12:59 PM »
I'm not going to ask if real or fake.

I will ask if they are produced by mint(s) or not?  Solid silver or plated?  Realistic market price?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/China-1980-Silver-Jiazhen-Medal-Set-/221186369242

Thought/opinion/info to share?
RAREMEDAL is the expert on this. Here are his posts on this medal set:

http://bbs.jibi.net/dispbbs.asp?boardid=176&id=140374&page=&star=1

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2013, 08:17:37 PM »
RAREMEDAL is the expert on this. Here are his posts on this medal set:

http://bbs.jibi.net/dispbbs.asp?boardid=176&id=140374&page=&star=1


Can someone translate the 'B' and 'C' varieties? Google translate isn't clear enough.
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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2013, 09:30:11 PM »
Can someone translate the full article?  Bing translator (http://www.bing.com/translator/) + Google translator give a pretty good sense.  Still a human translator is much better.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2013, 10:21:21 PM »
目前我知道的鉴真纪念章,有6种(直径30mm的有5种,直径60mm的有1种)
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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2013, 12:07:49 AM »
Great advice.

Coinex- why have you not sent this set in for grading?

It came in recently and we need to wait a bit more before we have enough coins to send in for a bulk submission. I would expedite the submission and ensure it is appropriately authenticated if there is a buyer interested on the forum. 10% deposit required which would only be refundable if it did not check out as expected of course.

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2013, 12:13:18 AM »
目前我知道的鉴真纪念章,有6种(直径30mm的有5种,直径60mm的有1种)
Translation: As far as I know, there are 6 types of Jianzhen commemorative medals (5 with a diameter of 30mm, the other with a diameter of 60mm).

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2013, 12:17:45 AM »
RAREMEDAL is the expert on this. Here are his posts on this medal set:

http://bbs.jibi.net/dispbbs.asp?boardid=176&id=140374&page=&star=1

前些日子,玉可求兄在QQ告诉我1980年鉴真和尚银章一二版的区别!使我对此很是感兴趣,于是我后来认真观察发现“1980年鉴真和尚银章”可能有3个版的出现!我且称他们为A.B.C版!下面我说说三个版的区别!
A版:和《中国现代贵金属纪念币目录》相同!这个版大家可以查看图录!我目前还没见过实物!
B板:鉴真渡海一枚后面和印章一枚背后没有“1980,中国造币公司”字!其他和A版一样!网络“艺海”兄弟的相片就是此版!
C版!鉴真渡海一枚后面和印章一枚背后没有“1980,中国造币公司”字!且印章一枚的章文是“唐鉴真回国探亲纪念”且下面有“1980”。此版我手上有一套,是上海卢工曾庆先生在香港钱币博览会上带回的,胶封老化,胶壳开裂,因为难以保存,被我拆开入装进海棉定位盒。
因为上币出的纪念章都是银铜都各自有发行的,比如我见过的《古塔》《金鱼》等!我没见过鉴真和尚铜章,后来看到祖康先生有文说:“很多鉴真铜章镀银制成假银章!”无风不起浪,我推测鉴真和尚真的是发行过4枚一套铜章的……
以上三版,实物只见过后2者!前者只出现过在书目,至于是否真存在,还需要大家指教……


A few days ago, Mr. 玉可求 told me on QQ  about the differences of the two version of 1980 jianzhen monk silver medal! I was quite interested, so I seriously studied the "1980, monk jianzhen Silver medal" and discovered that they may have 3 varieties! I call them A,B, and C version! Let me talk about the differences between the three versions!
A version: is same as the "Modern Chinese Precious Metal Commemorative Coins Catalogue" [Mr Ge's book]! You can look at the catalog to examine this verson.  So far I have not seen it in person!  [edit: the set for sale on eBay from coinex looks like version A]
B version: The reverse of the coin depicting Jianzhen-crossing-the-sea and the coin with the seal do not have the date "1980" and the pharse "China mint"!  Other coins are the same as A version.   The pictures posted by friend with the Internet moniker of "艺海" are this version!
C version!: The reverse of the coin depicting Jianzhen-crossing-the-sea and the coin with the seal do not have the date "1980" and the pharse "China mint"!  Furthermore, the writing on the seal is "唐鉴真回国探亲纪念"  ("Commemorate the return of Tang Jianzhen") and there is a date "1980" underneath the seal.  [edit: the writing on the seal of A version is "鉴真大師?回国纪念"]  I have a set of this version.  It was brought back from Hong Kong Coin Expositionis by Mr. 曾庆 of Shanghai Lu Gong.  The seals are cracked due to aging.  It is difficult to preserve them like that so I open and put them in foam capsules.
Because Shanghai issued medal in both silver and brass versions, such as the Pagoda and Goldfish, yet I have not seen a brass version of Jianzhen monk.  Late I saw Mr Ge wrote that "many Jianzhen monk brass medals are silver plated to make fake silver medals!"  So I infer that there must be a brass version of Jianzhen monk...
Of the three versions above, I only observed two in person.  The first one only appears in books, whether it is real will need more insights from the forum. ...

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2013, 12:35:31 AM »
Thank you SANDAC, it is a great help.

The article also talks about mixed reverses as one of the photo shows, is it correct or I got it wrong? To which variety out of the 3 it refers too?

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2013, 01:45:49 AM »
Gilmore-
You have found and sold a few plated and restrikes of pagodas, if I am not mistaken.

Would you be confident enough to bid A high amount on a set with mis-matched sides?
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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2013, 01:55:13 AM »
Gilmore-
You have found and sold a few plated and restrikes of pagodas, if I am not mistaken.

Would you be confident enough to bid this much on a set with mis-matched sides?

Hippanda, I am not sure what you mean.

This is what I am asking about - http://bbs.jibi.net/UploadFile/2008-4/20084131485553122.jpg
It is from the link fwang posted earlier.


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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2013, 02:15:27 AM »
Yes, that is what I am referring to.

You have seen and maybe sold restrikes Pagodas?

Would you be comfortable bidding on a set with mis-matched obverse and reverse, indicating that perhaps they are not original, but maybe restrikes?

"He who speaks without modesty will find it difficult to make his words good."

Confucius

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Re: 1980 Silver Jiazhen Medal Set
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2013, 02:16:43 AM »
Thank you SANDAC, it is a great help.

The article also talks about mixed reverses as one of the photo shows, is it correct or I got it wrong? To which variety out of the 3 it refers too?
In the subsequent discussion, a forum member stated that B version has a different obverse/reverse pairing than the A version.  The picture with 4 lines connecting the obverses and reverses is the obverse/reverse pairing of the B version.