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1914 YSK and 1902 Kiangnan Dollar
« on: January 04, 2013, 02:39:13 AM »
I'm new to older Chinese coins and this is my latest attempt at finding some authentic specimens. Could you please have a look and let me know if these look authentic to you?

I haven't looked at real coins, so I'm just going by photos I've found online, but I can't see anything wrong about the YSK. I checked for suspicious die marks mentioned in the recent thread http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=7638.0 and didn't find any. On the otherhand, I'm not feeling too confident about the Kiangnan dollar - in particular the dot beside the 7 seems to be unusual.

My cheap digital kitchen scale shows both coins to weigh 27g. I forgot to take measurements of the coins (I will do that when I get home tonight), however as you can see in the last photo the YSK is slightly thicker while the Kiangnan is slightly larger.

I also forgot to do the magnet test (duh!), and will do that tonight as well.

Please note that the white balance is severely off in some of the photos - the coins were taken on a white sheet of paper

Thanks in advance for looking

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Re: 1914 YSK and 1902 Kiangnan Dollar
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2013, 02:47:05 AM »
I just realized that the first photo (YSK-1914_rev.jpg) is slightly out of focus. I can retake the photo tomorrow if you will find it helpful.

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Re: 1914 YSK and 1902 Kiangnan Dollar
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2013, 05:59:31 AM »
Sorry, both coins are fake.

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Re: 1914 YSK and 1902 Kiangnan Dollar
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2013, 09:10:17 AM »
Thank you dragondollar for your reply. I must admit that I'm not that surprised. Could you tell me what gives these away as being fakes, so that I know better for next time?

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Re: 1914 YSK and 1902 Kiangnan Dollar
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2013, 09:12:04 AM »
One other thing, is the YSK considered to be a good fake?

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Re: 1914 YSK and 1902 Kiangnan Dollar
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2013, 09:21:11 AM »
This is a case of 一眼看假... For the YSK dollar, the strike is way too shallow and the toning very suspicious looking. Even with a wrong white balance, the colour is off as well. For the Kiangnan dollar, there is not 壬寅 dollar with a dot before 7. Only the 甲辰 (1904) dollar has this variety. Colour and toning also look wrong. The dragon strike and details look wrong as well. I don't think these coins would be deemed very good forgery, even if there is much worse.

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Re: 1914 YSK and 1902 Kiangnan Dollar
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2013, 09:27:06 AM »
Don't let that discourage you, anyway. Please return these coins if you can. It is better for a beginner to avoid VF/XF coins, since most fake coins will come in that condition. Better begin with graded, AU/MS common coins, like the YSK dollar, Chihli 1908, Memento dollar, Kiangnan 1904. When you get more familiar with the look and feel of these genuine coins, you can start looking for interesting varieties or scarcer coins in lesser condition.

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Re: 1914 YSK and 1902 Kiangnan Dollar
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2013, 10:03:57 AM »
Thank you dragondollar, 一眼看假 that says it all!

The color of both coins does appear to be off - it's a yellowish silver whereas all the photos I've seen online the color is more grey for coins of this era.

These coins were purchased from a dealer in jade jewellery at a wholesale market and I should be able to return them.

Anyways, I will stick to buying coins from the Madian market until I become better at spotting fakes.

By the way, I really enjoy reading your blog. That's how I learned that 壬寅 = 1902.

Thanks again, I do appreciate it very much! 非常感谢您的帮助!
« Last Edit: January 04, 2013, 10:08:06 AM by gerald »

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Re: 1914 YSK and 1902 Kiangnan Dollar
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2013, 10:52:48 AM »
White metal fakes. I can see them from a mile away

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Re: 1914 YSK and 1902 Kiangnan Dollar
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2013, 11:02:06 AM »
White metal - is that the same as white copper or cupronickel (copper-nickel alloy)?

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Re: 1914 YSK and 1902 Kiangnan Dollar
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2013, 11:04:54 AM »
"white metal" is a term used to describe fakes struck in a metal that resembles silver.

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Re: 1914 YSK and 1902 Kiangnan Dollar
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2013, 11:27:29 AM »
Got it. I will try to be more vigilant of white metal fakes.

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Re: 1914 YSK and 1902 Kiangnan Dollar
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2013, 11:32:16 AM »
You live in Beijing as well? You can PM me, I could help you sometime when you go hunting for coins.

Glad that my little blog was helpful to you!
« Last Edit: January 04, 2013, 11:34:43 AM by dragondollar »

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Re: 1914 YSK and 1902 Kiangnan Dollar
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2013, 11:41:38 AM »
Yes, I live in Beijing. I will definitely PM you, thanks!