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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2014, 02:25:25 PM »
I've read every word of this thread, so I am aware this is your 2nd medal. I am also aware that Bonke, Pocono, and jc888 know their shiznit. You are lucky to be receiving advice from such excellent forum members. You should not, however, count on this advice to help you steer clear of problems. Like I said, I worry about one who dives head first into buying that which is not fully understood.  

Research first, then buy.

LOL.  I knew what I was fully getting involved in buying this medal.  Typically for a purchase like this, I would have bought a graded medal, and not thought twice about it.  I've been on the look out for another one.  I didn't want to spend 3,300 (ebay) purchase for the 68, as I KNEW that is a bit out of the price range.  Oh, and I saw that the guy I bought from sold 2 raw medals on eBay, and I proactively reached out to him, and for **** and giggles, I asked if he had another one; and go figure, he had one more that he was going to list, but I convinced him to sell it to me direct.  Of course, I asked for guidance from smarter folks than me, but if I waited around to know everything about this market, I'd never buy anything. LOL.  I may not be smart, but I ain't a dummy...even though I may come across that way. LOL.  

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2014, 03:27:36 PM »
I did an experiment to see if I can see striation lines through a plastic capsule and PVC bag.  It is barely do-able only if I know exactly where to look.  The plastic capsule and PVC bag have their own scratches which are reflected on the mirrored surface of the coin, so the actual striation lines are mixed in with all other scratches.  Everything in between must be crystal clear plus proper light condition to see these lines. 

Here are two pictures to illustrate my point:  This is NGC 3614937-006 graded PF69 which photographed straight on looks just fine, but with a spot light shining at low angle and tilt the coin just so, the striation lines showed up.  The Historical Figures tend to have striation lines, but they don't seem to affect the grade and I don't worry about it.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2014, 03:40:37 PM »
Hey SANDAC, thanks for the heads up.  I'm going to the store to get a magnifying glass, because your top picture looks like mine, and then to see your bottom one, yikes!! Hey Mirk, no way I would be able to know this stuff, whether I'm thoroughly researched or not...but now that I've thoroughly researched, I know what to look for...thanks SANDAC.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #48 on: April 28, 2014, 04:10:48 PM »
I did an experiment to see if I can see striation lines through a plastic capsule and PVC bag.  It is barely do-able only if I know exactly where to look.  The plastic capsule and PVC bag have their own scratches which are reflected on the mirrored surface of the coin, so the actual striation lines are mixed in with all other scratches.  Everything in between must be crystal clear plus proper light condition to see these lines. 

Here are two pictures to illustrate my point:  This is NGC 3614937-006 graded PF69 which photographed straight on looks just fine, but with a spot light shining at low angle and tilt the coin just so, the striation lines showed up.  The Historical Figures tend to have striation lines, but they don't seem to affect the grade and I don't worry about it.

I tried everything, including low light, an tilting and magnifying glass, but case and the plastic wrap make it virtually impossible to see.  I'm just going to have to roll the dice on this.  Heck, you got a 69 with those lines, so here's to hoping for the best on my medal. LOL.  I'm not returning it.  Sorry JC. LOL.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2014, 09:59:02 PM »
I just sent a 1994 lunar dog 50y silver 5 oz with some pretty noticeable striation lines to NGC should be back in a couple of weeks ,I was very apprehensive about sending it but I did. Sandac's  post gives me hope fairly nice coin I would be ecstatic with a pf67 or more:) ,I worried about a details grade.....I will post pics and result's when the puppy shows up.   

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2014, 10:11:26 PM »
The real question here, besides all of the ones barsenault is bringing to the table, is . . .

barsenault, what are you doing dropping $2k plus on a coin that you know little about? I am very worried for your future in MCC collecting.

IMO, you should not depend on the kindness of the forum members here to point out your mistakes, or to "watch your back." This is the kind of knowledge that you should be looking to achieve BEFORE you make a major purchase so that you can be confident your purchase was a wise one. As you mentioned in an earlier post, you cannot afford to make a $2000 dollar purchase mistake. Therefore, you should know what you're buying before you buy.



give him a break my brother:) sometimes as you well know Mirkkanen  the time to buy something that is rare and that you seldom see is when you see it or most of the time it is gone , he had a little buyer's remorse going that,s all :) your advise is sound for sure......and should be heeded ,it worked out for him this time though I think he has a pretty solid coin for what he paid ,so at least it ended well .....   

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2014, 10:29:31 PM »
For a rare one, sometime it is OK to have a less than perfect medal.

My 2 cents.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2014, 10:57:46 PM »
For a rare one, sometime it is OK to have a less than perfect medal.

My 2 cents.
Absolutely agree! I will keep my less perfect medals till I find better ones.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #53 on: April 28, 2014, 11:29:26 PM »
I tried everything, including low light, an tilting and magnifying glass, but case and the plastic wrap make it virtually impossible to see.  I'm just going to have to roll the dice on this.  Heck, you got a 69 with those lines, so here's to hoping for the best on my medal. LOL.  I'm not returning it.  Sorry JC. LOL.

The chance is good that you may not have die polishing hairlines. I do believe that you coin will be 68 material. There are some spots on the frosty surface as shown in the attached picture. In any case, you are doing fine even for 67.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #54 on: April 29, 2014, 05:55:01 AM »
The chance is good that you may not have die polishing hairlines. I do believe that you coin will be 68 material. There are some spots on the frosty surface as shown in the attached picture. In any case, you are doing fine even for 67.

yep I am thinking pf68 also ,but you never know with NGC:) it is like going to a casino:)  I have had coins I was positive would come back great that didnt ,and coins I did not have to much faith in grade high............ it is a nice medal ,if those spots on the frosty surfaces are toning they may well clean up at NCS ................good luck!

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #55 on: April 29, 2014, 07:14:16 AM »
The chance is good that you may not have die polishing hairlines. I do believe that you coin will be 68 material. There are some spots on the frosty surface as shown in the attached picture. In any case, you are doing fine even for 67.

Holy Moly, you guys are good.  I couldn't see those spots...or probably preferred not to see them. LOL.  However, as PandorLunar said, for a rare one it is okay to not be 'perfect.'  Makes all the sense in the world.  As a side note, Nick Brown wrote a book called, top 100 U.S. error coins.  I wonder if there is such a thing for the Chinese market yet?  I guess there would have be 2 books?  One for coins and one for medals?  Hey, maybe there's an idea for Peter Anthony? hehehe. Thanks once again for all the input poco/jc/bonke, etc...oh, and when I submit, it will first go to conserve, then to NGC...along with my 7 2008 Panda banknotes.  Can't wait.  Have a great day all.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #56 on: April 29, 2014, 08:43:33 AM »
So besides the 1985 1oz ANA silver medal and the 1988 1oz Basel gold medal (struck on a 'Pt' die), are there other error medals?
Regarding error MCC, there must be a lot of circulating ones but what about NCLTs (non-circulating legal tender) struck in PM (precious metal)?

Curious to know the list.
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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #57 on: April 29, 2014, 08:49:47 AM »
So besides the 1985 1oz ANA silver medal and the 1988 1oz Basel gold medal (struck on a 'Pt' die), are there other error medals?
Regarding error MCC, there must be a lot of circulating ones but what about NCLTs (non-circulating legal tender) struck in PM (precious metal)?

Curious to know the list.

From a friend who is a fanatic on China coins/medals.  Here is what he said: I believe the 1985 ANA has the greatest chance of being a "homerun" investment. I own quite a few rare coins but I see the ANA has the most potential. It might be greatest error coin in China Mint history. I thought it was the first major error coin, but some say it is the 1984 great wall metal. It has heroes spelt as "heros" on the reverse of the coin. I would love to own one of those but it is a 15k-25k coin. Way too expensive for me....

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2014, 08:01:01 AM »
Holy Moly, you guys are good.  I couldn't see those spots...or probably preferred not to see them. LOL.  However, as PandorLunar said, for a rare one it is okay to not be 'perfect.'  Makes all the sense in the world.  As a side note, Nick Brown wrote a book called, top 100 U.S. error coins.  I wonder if there is such a thing for the Chinese market yet?  I guess there would have be 2 books?  One for coins and one for medals?  Hey, maybe there's an idea for Peter Anthony? hehehe. Thanks once again for all the input poco/jc/bonke, etc...oh, and when I submit, it will first go to conserve, then to NGC...along with my 7 2008 Panda banknotes.  Can't wait.  Have a great day all.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2014, 08:08:51 AM »
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