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1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
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1985 ANA silver medal (U.S. Numisnews Article)
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1985 ANA silver medal (U.S. Numisnews Article)



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1985 ANA 1oz silver medal (Original Price)
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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2012, 02:45:52 PM »
I just saw one of these medals in person at a local Bay Area coin show. When I asked about the price, he mentioned $5k. The seller said we "could talk" about an offer of $4K :blink:

I'd much prefer to buy this piece of metal for between $20 and $80, thank you.

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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2012, 02:56:31 PM »

I'd much prefer to buy this piece of metal for between $20 and $80, thank you.


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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2012, 05:55:35 PM »
Mr. Ge gives this medal 4 stars.  Same as the 1984 silver pagodas!........

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2012, 03:01:13 PM »
The fact that this piece was produced and issued gives some insight into the "randomness element" of the China Mint in the early 1980"s.

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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2012, 06:27:53 AM »
you have a good collection of old coins images.

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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2014, 10:31:41 PM »
Hello there.  I know this is an old post.  However, I thought I'd revive it to ask if anyone knows what the actual mintage is of this medal?  I know it says 500, but are there really 500 in existence or were some melted down because of the error.  I can't seem to find a lot of info on this medal.  Thanks much. 

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2014, 07:23:05 AM »
Very rare:)  a good friend and I where just talking about it ,he told me he saw one sold in a legitimate sale for 6500 ngc ms69 recently

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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2014, 07:31:29 AM »
Very rare:)  a good friend and I where just talking about it ,he told me he saw one sold in a legitimate sale for 6500 ngc ms69 recently

wow! that is amazing. I just wish there was more info on this medal other than what is listed in the newspapers above.  No one seems to know how many are still in existence.  I've never seen a 69.  I've seen a few 68's.  I actually have 1 68 and one raw, as I was fascinated by the newspaper articles initially about a year or so ago, but then to hunt for more info, nothing.  oh well.  Thanks for chiming in my friend.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2014, 08:03:32 AM »
to have 2 is pretty good:)  ,you would have to assume that if the newspaper article is accurate and they where in high demand at the show  pretty close to the 500 where issued and distributed as it appears it was a sell out at the show.........that being said 30 years ago is a long time .....the few raw ones I have seen or heard about are pretty tarnished ,I would certainly have them conserved ,only apx 5% of the presumed population has been graded by NGC ,you got to believe 5% have been lost misplaced or have been sold for melt by people who did not know what they had:) I bought a 1984 panda out of a silver pile in a pawn shop so it does happen.....
1985 1OZ CHINA SILVER GREAT WALL 94TH ANA CONVENTION COIN CENSUS
Description:    CHINA - MEDALS
Category:    WORLD COINS
Denomination:    SILVER
Year/Mint:    1985 1oz CHINA
Variety:    GREAT WALL 94TH ANA CONVENTION
Designation:    PFUC
Total Graded:    26
Census Detail

    PRAG   G   VG   F   VF   40   45   50   53   55   58   60   61   62   63   64   65   66   67   68   69   70
Base   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   2   15   9   0
* Star   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2014, 08:05:42 AM »
the census report shifts when you copy and paste sorry folks       9 pf 69,   15 pf68    2 pf67

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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2014, 08:24:08 AM »
the census report shifts when you copy and paste sorry folks       9 pf 69,   15 pf68    2 pf67

Thanks again for reviving an old subject.  I've owned the 68 for about year now, and the raw one is on the way. I bought it from a guy who had 3 in his inventory.  He said he got them in a deal he did back nearly 20 years ago.  I'm sure he made a good chunk of change. I will definitely send it to NGC to be conserved.  http://www.ebay.com/itm/China-1985-ANA-Convention-1-oz-silver-Proof-Medal-GREAT-WALL-original-holder-/231172668736?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item35d2f6fd40&nma=true&si=xF6J%252FWegr%252FEuh%252FZf3ZhFCfm910Q%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557  looks like it is good condition, and the great thing is he has a money back guarantee, so if there is spotting, I'll send it back.  But he assured me that there was none.  we'll soon see.  The 'rumor' I've heard that is there is only about 160 of these in existence, but who really knows?  I think quite a few were melted.  key words: i think. LOL.  Or better put. I hope!! :-)  thanks for sharing all the data on the medal. 

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2014, 08:43:06 AM »
very nice ................!   I think you did well at that price ,IMHO opinion even if 400 or so are out there which probably there are not ,you just don't see many for sale that makes it rare IMHO ......conserve it my friend who knows what that holder is made out of the coin looks good you want to keep it that way.................

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2014, 11:39:43 AM »
the census report shifts when you copy and paste sorry folks       9 pf 69,   15 pf68    2 pf67

Seems like a small number graded compared to the 500 sold. But if many of the buyers knew they were buying an error then one would think that should increase the surviving population compared to a non-error, standard issue.

Maybe the Chinese Mint bought them back at $80 after the show using 'agents' to avoid too much embarrassment and that decreased the surviving population?

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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2014, 11:55:39 AM »
Seems like a small number graded compared to the 500 sold. But if many of the buyers knew they were buying an error then one would think that should increase the surviving population compared to a non-error, standard issue.

Maybe the Chinese Mint bought them back at $80 after the show using 'agents' to avoid too much embarrassment and that decreased the surviving population?

Great info.  And I believe Flashfire (eBay handle) said the same thing.  He said, it was an embarrassment at the show.  And he seemed to indicate that not all of them were sold, but quickly pulled from the table and sent back to be melted.  He gave a number like 160 minted, but he was taking an 'educated guess.' Based on the graded amounts, probably about right.  Although I know quite a few raw ones have been sold on eBay, probably yet to be graded.  Hopefully someday, we'll have a better ideal.  Thanks again for all the input everyone

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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2014, 04:41:37 PM »
Many of these medals have "die polish" or heavy parallel lines in the field.  This problem cannot be eliminated by NCS and is somewhat unsightly.  Certainly, this detracts from the design and lowers the potential grade.  This problem can easily be hidden in the pictures for internet listings.  So, if you attend a coin show and if you see one of these medals in the original packaging and if die polish is not evident after a close look, buy the medal for your collection and submit it to NCS for conservation and NGC for grading.  Soon, these medals will no longer be available.  Mark Bonke   

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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2014, 04:55:57 PM »
Many of these medals have "die polish" or heavy parallel lines in the field.  This problem cannot be eliminated by NCS and is somewhat unsightly.  Certainly, this detracts from the design and lowers the potential grade.  This problem can easily be hidden in the pictures for internet listings.  So, if you attend a coin show and if you see one of these medals in the original packaging and if die polish is not evident after a close look, buy the medal for your collection and submit it to NCS for conservation and NGC for grading.  Soon, these medals will no longer be available.  Mark Bonke   

Hey Mark, thank so much. I'll be getting mine this week from a dealer here in the states, who has sat on it for 15 years.  Is this something I can see with the naked eye?  I do have a money back guarantee, and want to be sure this is a solid medal.  I can't afford to 'waste' money.  I had to sell 'stuff' to buy it.  Is the polish obvious?  Can I take a video of it and send it someone here on this forum who will know what to work for?  I won't be able to crack open the case the raw medal is in.  Thanks for the heads up.  Thanks SO MUCH.

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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2014, 05:12:16 PM »
Your medal may arrive in the single hard plastic rectangle or in the double plastic (hard plastic rectangle and older type soft plastic).  Either way, you should evaluate it in natural light with magnification.  Normally, it is difficult to evaluate these medals in either single or double plastic (since the plastic has aged).  Still, in appropriate lighting and with magnification, rotate the holder and look carefully.  Hopefully, there will be no rub marks on the high points.  Hopefully, there will be no mishandling marks (which occurred before the mint employee put the medal in the holder).  Hopefully, there will be no "die polish" lines in the field.  With patience, you will be able to determine the condition of the surface on both sides for yourself.

At one coin show, Nick Brown had three of these raw medals in his inventory.  He very kindly permitted me time to look at all three carefully.  All were in original double plastic.  All were beautiful (without magnification).  All had no rub marks or mishandling marks.  Two of the three had "die polish" in the fields.  Would this lower the grade from a 69 to a 68?  Who knows?  I purchased the best of the three for a very high price.  NGC did grade it as a 69.  Still, maybe, the other two would also grade as 69s.  They were very nice medals.

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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2014, 05:35:45 PM »
Your medal may arrive in the single hard plastic rectangle or in the double plastic (hard plastic rectangle and older type soft plastic).  Either way, you should evaluate it in natural light with magnification.  Normally, it is difficult to evaluate these medals in either single or double plastic (since the plastic has aged).  Still, in appropriate lighting and with magnification, rotate the holder and look carefully.  Hopefully, there will be no rub marks on the high points.  Hopefully, there will be no mishandling marks (which occurred before the mint employee put the medal in the holder).  Hopefully, there will be no "die polish" lines in the field.  With patience, you will be able to determine the condition of the surface on both sides for yourself.

At one coin show, Nick Brown had three of these raw medals in his inventory.  He very kindly permitted me time to look at all three carefully.  All were in original double plastic.  All were beautiful (without magnification).  All had no rub marks or mishandling marks.  Two of the three had "die polish" in the fields.  Would this lower the grade from a 69 to a 68?  Who knows?  I purchased the best of the three for a very high price.  NGC did grade it as a 69.  Still, maybe, the other two would also grade as 69s.  They were very nice medals.

Good Luck!

Mark Bonke 

Wow.  Man, you are a life saver!  I really appreciate ALL the instruction and feedback.  I paid a hefty chunk of change (for me anyway) for this piece, and if I let this sit in my box until I collect my pennies to get graded, and they came back and said, 'oh by the way...' I'd be very discouraged...not to mention my wife would kick my arse. If I get a 68 I'll be fine.  I'm not in expert in these matters, so I'll have to travel to a coin specialist who knows these things.  I'll print out your details, and let him know what to look for. I don't even have any kind of magnification.  Maybe I can go to Wal-Mart and buy one.  This might be a good lesson in training to be more like you guys on this forum.  I have to learn sometime.  I seriously can't thank you enough.  It sounds like a video or a picture up close isn't going to do it.  This is what I'll be receiving.  He is the seller.  I'm sorry for all the detail, I'm just sweating a bit. LOL. http://www.ebay.com/itm/China-1985-ANA-Convention-1-oz-silver-Proof-Medal-GREAT-WALL-original-holder-/351023080997?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51ba9b2625&nma=true&si=xF6J%252FWegr%252FEuh%252FZf3ZhFCfm910Q%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2014, 06:30:37 PM »
In the past, I purchased coins from this seller.  I never had a problem.  Each time, I received coins which were consistent with the written description and with the pictures.  From my point of view, you are purchasing your medal from a very reputable coin dealer.

I looked at the pictures in the listing carefully.  Certainly, I can not tell the condition of this medal from these pictures.  The hard plastic looks original.  The soft plastic looks "softer and more pliable" than I remember from my purchases.  Possibly (or probably), my memory has failed.  Possibly, someone resealed the hard plastic in a newer soft plastic holder and this has protected the medal from the typical toning and discoloration.  I just see mild toning in the field.  Still, you or someone will need to look at it carefully to see the actual condition of the medal upon its arrival at your home.  Below the toning (or the discoloration in the plastic), you may find . . . .  ????

I own four of these medals, one a 69 and three 68s.  All were purchased in original plastic.  All were submitted by me to NGC.  All (from my point of view as a collector) look wonderful.  Still three are 68s and one is a 69.

If you are purchasing for resale, upon receipt of the medal, look at it very, very carefully.  If you are purchasing it as a collector who will hold this in his collection for many years, look at it very, very carefully.  Everyone seems to require perfection or near perfection when making purchases.  Upon resale, sellers are being "punished" for anything which is not perfect. 

Mark Bonke

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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2014, 07:41:20 PM »
Your medal may arrive in the single hard plastic rectangle or in the double plastic (hard plastic rectangle and older type soft plastic).  Either way, you should evaluate it in natural light with magnification.  Normally, it is difficult to evaluate these medals in either single or double plastic (since the plastic has aged).  Still, in appropriate lighting and with magnification, rotate the holder and look carefully.  Hopefully, there will be no rub marks on the high points.  Hopefully, there will be no mishandling marks (which occurred before the mint employee put the medal in the holder).  Hopefully, there will be no "die polish" lines in the field.  With patience, you will be able to determine the condition of the surface on both sides for yourself.

At one coin show, Nick Brown had three of these raw medals in his inventory.  He very kindly permitted me time to look at all three carefully.  All were in original double plastic.  All were beautiful (without magnification).  All had no rub marks or mishandling marks.  Two of the three had "die polish" in the fields.  Would this lower the grade from a 69 to a 68?  Who knows?  I purchased the best of the three for a very high price.  NGC did grade it as a 69.  Still, maybe, the other two would also grade as 69s.  They were very nice medals.

Good Luck!

Mark Bonke 

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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2014, 07:51:59 PM »
Wow.  Man, you are a life saver!  I really appreciate ALL the instruction and feedback.  I paid a hefty chunk of change (for me anyway) for this piece, and if I let this sit in my box until I collect my pennies to get graded, and they came back and said, 'oh by the way...' I'd be very discouraged...not to mention my wife would kick my arse. If I get a 68 I'll be fine.  I'm not in expert in these matters, so I'll have to travel to a coin specialist who knows these things.  I'll print out your details, and let him know what to look for. I don't even have any kind of magnification.  Maybe I can go to Wal-Mart and buy one.  This might be a good lesson in training to be more like you guys on this forum.  I have to learn sometime.  I seriously can't thank you enough.  It sounds like a video or a picture up close isn't going to do it.  This is what I'll be receiving.  He is the seller.  I'm sorry for all the detail, I'm just sweating a bit. LOL. http://www.ebay.com/itm/China-1985-ANA-Convention-1-oz-silver-Proof-Medal-GREAT-WALL-original-holder-/351023080997?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51ba9b2625&nma=true&si=xF6J%252FWegr%252FEuh%252FZf3ZhFCfm910Q%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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Barsenault  ,here is one of my favorite magnifiers ,you can carry it around in your pocket and it works great  e bay item # 310914674713  nice bright light to pick up spots imperfections etc

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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2014, 10:00:29 PM »
Every time I step foot in a coin show ,I think of Mr, Nick Brown a class act and a true gentleman he will always be remembered.

Wow, I'm pretty new to this hobby, and I just googled searched this guy.  I wish I met him.  Sounds like a class act, and just saw his youtube video.  I wonder, did he ever create the top 100 chinese error coins/medals?  For those that want a glimpse of the man, http://numismaster.com/ta/numis/Article.jsp?ad=article&ArticleId=26994  How did he pass away.  He looks young!!

By the way Jc, thanks for the pointer of getting one of those magnifiers.  I'll get one, for sure.

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« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2014, 10:11:23 PM »
In the past, I purchased coins from this seller.  I never had a problem.  Each time, I received coins which were consistent with the written description and with the pictures.  From my point of view, you are purchasing your medal from a very reputable coin dealer.

I looked at the pictures in the listing carefully.  Certainly, I can not tell the condition of this medal from these pictures.  The hard plastic looks original.  The soft plastic looks "softer and more pliable" than I remember from my purchases.  Possibly (or probably), my memory has failed.  Possibly, someone resealed the hard plastic in a newer soft plastic holder and this has protected the medal from the typical toning and discoloration.  I just see mild toning in the field.  Still, you or someone will need to look at it carefully to see the actual condition of the medal upon its arrival at your home.  Below the toning (or the discoloration in the plastic), you may find . . . .  ????

I own four of these medals, one a 69 and three 68s.  All were purchased in original plastic.  All were submitted by me to NGC.  All (from my point of view as a collector) look wonderful.  Still three are 68s and one is a 69.

If you are purchasing for resale, upon receipt of the medal, look at it very, very carefully.  If you are purchasing it as a collector who will hold this in his collection for many years, look at it very, very carefully.  Everyone seems to require perfection or near perfection when making purchases.  Upon resale, sellers are being "punished" for anything which is not perfect. 

Mark Bonke

well, lookee here, a person after my own heart, LOL.  Or vice versa, since I'm newer to this fantastic hobby, which I absolutely love.  But you too collect more of one kind of medal or coin.  I thought I was the only one. LOL.  If I could buy 5 of those 1985's I would. :-)  Just the kind of guy I am.  I rather have one of a kind that I absolutely love, whether it is the story/history or the look or artistic appeal vs. the whole set.  Not to say that you don't have the whole set of anything.  I'm sure you do.  But to see someone who has 4 of these, that's music and inspiration to my ears and eyes.  This guy you've purchased from seems like a standup kind of person.  He's been great to work with.  I haven't ordered from him before.  But he's given great feedback.  He said he doesn't believe that these medals have any issues.  He recently sold 2 others that he got from a 'trade' a number of years ago, and they haven't complained.  This was about 2 months ago.  I'll still look very, very carefully at it.  No question.  I will be a nervous wreck, until I have peace of mind that there isn't anything wrong with it.  Sure, I'd like it to be perfect, but if it scores a 68, I'll be very happy.  I dream of a perfect coin. LOL.  Oh, and I'm a collector.  We just adopted a little 2 year old girl from China 7 months ago, and she has been a blessing to our lives.  This is a small way I can stay in tuned with her culture.  Life is good.  This forum has been a blessing in helping me understand coins/medals, and the difference between the 2, and what to buy and not buy and what's a gamble and not one.  Lots to learn...still.  I feel like there is an encyclopedic array of info on Chinese coins and medals, it can be a bit overwhelming.  I just need to be an 'expert' in the one or 2 areas that I have an interest in, and not worry about the rest.  Simply fascinating stuff for sure.  And thanks for your counsel to examine this medal very closely, because I wouldn't have if not for you.  Thank you.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2014, 10:24:02 PM »
Barsenault  ,here is one of my favorite magnifiers ,you can carry it around in your pocket and it works great  e bay item # 310914674713  nice bright light to pick up spots imperfections etc

by the way, as I'm looking, I see some that are 10, 15, and 20X's, I'm assuming those are overkill?

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2014, 10:31:51 PM »
The "die polishing lines" bonke mentioned are also known as striation lines.  It is results of careless die polishing by the mint.  It is not mishandling after minting so you can still get 69 grade with striation lines.  They are hard to see, you need to tilt and rotate the coin and examine with magnifier glasses to see them.  Here are discussions about striation lines:
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=6403.0

A few pictures I took of my coins with striation lines:
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=6403.msg38968#msg38968
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=4218.msg23128#msg23128

A discussion of magnifiers for coins:
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=878.0

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2014, 10:40:54 PM »
The "die polishing lines" bonke mentioned are also known as striation lines.  It is results of careless die polishing by the mint.  It is not mishandling after minting so you can still get 69 grade with striation lines.  They are hard to see, you need to tilt and rotate the coin and examine with magnifier glasses to see them.  Here are discussions about striation lines:
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=6403.0

A few pictures I took of my coins with striation lines:
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=6403.msg38968#msg38968
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=4218.msg23128#msg23128

A discussion of magnifiers for coins:
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=878.0

Dang, that is clear as day, and one doesn't need a magnifying glass to see those lines.  Heck there is one of the 1985 Great Wall on one of the links you provided.  Thank you!!  Geesh.  Always something to look out for.  I'll be bald by the time I finished. LOL.  Thanks for the info SANDAC.  Very, very helpful.  The magnifier info is a bit overwhelming.  So many choices.  I may have to go a coin store and just see what works best for me.  Thanks again everyone.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2014, 11:44:58 PM »
barsenault,

Here is the enlarged picture of your coin. The contrast of the picture was adjusted to give a better details. IMO. your coin does not has die polishing lines.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2014, 05:39:23 AM »
by the way, as I'm looking, I see some that are 10, 15, and 20X's, I'm assuming those are overkill?

As a hand held inexpensive one it is the best one i have found 5x is plenty if you use a 20x to buy coins you will never buy any:)lol

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2014, 05:41:34 AM »
btw this magnifier I use for spotting imperfections and white spot which it does very well

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2014, 06:31:55 AM »
barsenault,

Here is the enlarged picture of your coin. The contrast of the picture was adjusted to give a better details. IMO. your coin does not has die polishing lines.

whew, good to know, and hopefully the picture really does represent the one I actually receive.  I'll find out today!! ;-)  I'll keep everyone posted.  Thanks again for all the input and info

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2014, 06:32:43 AM »
As a hand held inexpensive one it is the best one i have found 5x is plenty if you use a 20x to buy coins you will never buy any:)lol

LOL.  Okay, that is good advice. I'll get this one.  Thanks JC

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2014, 12:27:09 PM »
Okay, so I got the medal.  Looks good from the 'naked eye' is concerned, but can't really tell with the plastic wrap around it, BUT it does have a slice in the plastic, I wonder if I should cut it off and look at the coin thru the case it came in?  I need to go find a magnifying glass at walmart (temporary one).  Can I see the lines with the eyes.  the images that someone posted above, looked like it was by eye sight?  thanks.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2014, 12:32:07 PM »
Okay, so I got the medal.  Looks good from the 'naked eye' is concerned, but can't really tell with the plastic wrap around it, BUT it does have a slice in the plastic, I wonder if I should cut it off and look at the coin thru the case it came in?  I need to go find a magnifying glass at walmart (temporary one).  Can I see the lines with the eyes.  the images that someone posted above, looked like it was by eye sight?  thanks.
I would not fool with the OMP in anyway as it very well might void your ability to return the coin ..... part of the coins value is what is perceived being in OMP . striation lines are normally pretty visible in the light ,you reall should have no problem seeing them  , if you dont like the coin send it to me Ill pay pal gift you and get you out of it LOL 

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2014, 12:57:11 PM »
I agree.  Do not disturb the packaging.  Most sellers require the coin or medal to be in the same condition / holder upon return.  Several years ago, I took a coin out of a holder so that I could see it better.  Immediately, I could see a significant problem.  I called the seller and asked to return the item.  He agreed as long as it was in the original condition/holder.  Of course, it was not and he did not take it back.  Ouch!  A lesson learned.  An expensive lesson.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2014, 01:20:46 PM »
JC, Mark, thanks for the input.  I didn't open it, but quite frankly, this medal looks good, BUT maybe they all do, when looking via the eyes. LOL.  Here is a YouTube link for the medal: http://youtu.be/M_MOa0ahn7Q 







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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2014, 01:24:58 PM »
Like I said if you don't want it let me know I'll PayPal you what you pay for it and you can get out of it LOL

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2014, 01:36:08 PM »
LOL.  You're funny JC!! 

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2014, 01:58:00 PM »
The real question here, besides all of the ones barsenault is bringing to the table, is . . .

barsenault, what are you doing dropping $2k plus on a coin that you know little about? I am very worried for your future in MCC collecting.

IMO, you should not depend on the kindness of the forum members here to point out your mistakes, or to "watch your back." This is the kind of knowledge that you should be looking to achieve BEFORE you make a major purchase so that you can be confident your purchase was a wise one. As you mentioned in an earlier post, you cannot afford to make a $2000 dollar purchase mistake. Therefore, you should know what you're buying before you buy.


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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2014, 02:08:06 PM »
The real question here, besides all of the ones barsenault is bringing to the table, is . . .

barsenault, what are you doing dropping $2k plus on a coin that you know little about? I am very worried for your future in MCC collecting.

IMO, you should not depend on the kindness of the forum members here to point out your mistakes, or to "watch your back." This is the kind of knowledge that you should be looking to achieve BEFORE you make a major purchase so that you can be confident your purchase was a wise one. As you mentioned in an earlier post, you cannot afford to make a $2000 dollar purchase mistake. Therefore, you should know what you're buying before you buy.



Great council, and thanks for the words of wisdom.  But keep in mind, I do have one other Great Wall medal.  But it is graded, so I didn't have too many worries, and it came from a dealer I trust, because I know him (clark smith).  This one I ordered was raw, and so I didn't have familiarity with a 'raw' purchase, hence the reasons for my many questions on what to be on the look out for.  I know Bonke and JC from other forums, so I do have a lot of trust in their guidance.  So, all this to say, thanks for your words of encouragement to stay sharp. 

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2014, 02:13:14 PM »
I've read every word of this thread, so I am aware this is your 2nd medal. I am also aware that Bonke, Pocono, and jc888 know their shiznit. You are lucky to be receiving advice from such excellent forum members. You should not, however, count on this advice to help you steer clear of problems. Like I said, I worry about one who dives head first into buying that which is not fully understood. 

Research first, then buy.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2014, 02:25:25 PM »
I've read every word of this thread, so I am aware this is your 2nd medal. I am also aware that Bonke, Pocono, and jc888 know their shiznit. You are lucky to be receiving advice from such excellent forum members. You should not, however, count on this advice to help you steer clear of problems. Like I said, I worry about one who dives head first into buying that which is not fully understood.  

Research first, then buy.

LOL.  I knew what I was fully getting involved in buying this medal.  Typically for a purchase like this, I would have bought a graded medal, and not thought twice about it.  I've been on the look out for another one.  I didn't want to spend 3,300 (ebay) purchase for the 68, as I KNEW that is a bit out of the price range.  Oh, and I saw that the guy I bought from sold 2 raw medals on eBay, and I proactively reached out to him, and for **** and giggles, I asked if he had another one; and go figure, he had one more that he was going to list, but I convinced him to sell it to me direct.  Of course, I asked for guidance from smarter folks than me, but if I waited around to know everything about this market, I'd never buy anything. LOL.  I may not be smart, but I ain't a dummy...even though I may come across that way. LOL.  

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2014, 03:27:36 PM »
I did an experiment to see if I can see striation lines through a plastic capsule and PVC bag.  It is barely do-able only if I know exactly where to look.  The plastic capsule and PVC bag have their own scratches which are reflected on the mirrored surface of the coin, so the actual striation lines are mixed in with all other scratches.  Everything in between must be crystal clear plus proper light condition to see these lines. 

Here are two pictures to illustrate my point:  This is NGC 3614937-006 graded PF69 which photographed straight on looks just fine, but with a spot light shining at low angle and tilt the coin just so, the striation lines showed up.  The Historical Figures tend to have striation lines, but they don't seem to affect the grade and I don't worry about it.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2014, 03:40:37 PM »
Hey SANDAC, thanks for the heads up.  I'm going to the store to get a magnifying glass, because your top picture looks like mine, and then to see your bottom one, yikes!! Hey Mirk, no way I would be able to know this stuff, whether I'm thoroughly researched or not...but now that I've thoroughly researched, I know what to look for...thanks SANDAC.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #48 on: April 28, 2014, 04:10:48 PM »
I did an experiment to see if I can see striation lines through a plastic capsule and PVC bag.  It is barely do-able only if I know exactly where to look.  The plastic capsule and PVC bag have their own scratches which are reflected on the mirrored surface of the coin, so the actual striation lines are mixed in with all other scratches.  Everything in between must be crystal clear plus proper light condition to see these lines. 

Here are two pictures to illustrate my point:  This is NGC 3614937-006 graded PF69 which photographed straight on looks just fine, but with a spot light shining at low angle and tilt the coin just so, the striation lines showed up.  The Historical Figures tend to have striation lines, but they don't seem to affect the grade and I don't worry about it.

I tried everything, including low light, an tilting and magnifying glass, but case and the plastic wrap make it virtually impossible to see.  I'm just going to have to roll the dice on this.  Heck, you got a 69 with those lines, so here's to hoping for the best on my medal. LOL.  I'm not returning it.  Sorry JC. LOL.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2014, 09:59:02 PM »
I just sent a 1994 lunar dog 50y silver 5 oz with some pretty noticeable striation lines to NGC should be back in a couple of weeks ,I was very apprehensive about sending it but I did. Sandac's  post gives me hope fairly nice coin I would be ecstatic with a pf67 or more:) ,I worried about a details grade.....I will post pics and result's when the puppy shows up.   

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2014, 10:11:26 PM »
The real question here, besides all of the ones barsenault is bringing to the table, is . . .

barsenault, what are you doing dropping $2k plus on a coin that you know little about? I am very worried for your future in MCC collecting.

IMO, you should not depend on the kindness of the forum members here to point out your mistakes, or to "watch your back." This is the kind of knowledge that you should be looking to achieve BEFORE you make a major purchase so that you can be confident your purchase was a wise one. As you mentioned in an earlier post, you cannot afford to make a $2000 dollar purchase mistake. Therefore, you should know what you're buying before you buy.



give him a break my brother:) sometimes as you well know Mirkkanen  the time to buy something that is rare and that you seldom see is when you see it or most of the time it is gone , he had a little buyer's remorse going that,s all :) your advise is sound for sure......and should be heeded ,it worked out for him this time though I think he has a pretty solid coin for what he paid ,so at least it ended well .....   

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2014, 10:29:31 PM »
For a rare one, sometime it is OK to have a less than perfect medal.

My 2 cents.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2014, 10:57:46 PM »
For a rare one, sometime it is OK to have a less than perfect medal.

My 2 cents.
Absolutely agree! I will keep my less perfect medals till I find better ones.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #53 on: April 28, 2014, 11:29:26 PM »
I tried everything, including low light, an tilting and magnifying glass, but case and the plastic wrap make it virtually impossible to see.  I'm just going to have to roll the dice on this.  Heck, you got a 69 with those lines, so here's to hoping for the best on my medal. LOL.  I'm not returning it.  Sorry JC. LOL.

The chance is good that you may not have die polishing hairlines. I do believe that you coin will be 68 material. There are some spots on the frosty surface as shown in the attached picture. In any case, you are doing fine even for 67.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #54 on: April 29, 2014, 05:55:01 AM »
The chance is good that you may not have die polishing hairlines. I do believe that you coin will be 68 material. There are some spots on the frosty surface as shown in the attached picture. In any case, you are doing fine even for 67.

yep I am thinking pf68 also ,but you never know with NGC:) it is like going to a casino:)  I have had coins I was positive would come back great that didnt ,and coins I did not have to much faith in grade high............ it is a nice medal ,if those spots on the frosty surfaces are toning they may well clean up at NCS ................good luck!

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #55 on: April 29, 2014, 07:14:16 AM »
The chance is good that you may not have die polishing hairlines. I do believe that you coin will be 68 material. There are some spots on the frosty surface as shown in the attached picture. In any case, you are doing fine even for 67.

Holy Moly, you guys are good.  I couldn't see those spots...or probably preferred not to see them. LOL.  However, as PandorLunar said, for a rare one it is okay to not be 'perfect.'  Makes all the sense in the world.  As a side note, Nick Brown wrote a book called, top 100 U.S. error coins.  I wonder if there is such a thing for the Chinese market yet?  I guess there would have be 2 books?  One for coins and one for medals?  Hey, maybe there's an idea for Peter Anthony? hehehe. Thanks once again for all the input poco/jc/bonke, etc...oh, and when I submit, it will first go to conserve, then to NGC...along with my 7 2008 Panda banknotes.  Can't wait.  Have a great day all.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #56 on: April 29, 2014, 08:43:33 AM »
So besides the 1985 1oz ANA silver medal and the 1988 1oz Basel gold medal (struck on a 'Pt' die), are there other error medals?
Regarding error MCC, there must be a lot of circulating ones but what about NCLTs (non-circulating legal tender) struck in PM (precious metal)?

Curious to know the list.
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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #57 on: April 29, 2014, 08:49:47 AM »
So besides the 1985 1oz ANA silver medal and the 1988 1oz Basel gold medal (struck on a 'Pt' die), are there other error medals?
Regarding error MCC, there must be a lot of circulating ones but what about NCLTs (non-circulating legal tender) struck in PM (precious metal)?

Curious to know the list.

From a friend who is a fanatic on China coins/medals.  Here is what he said: I believe the 1985 ANA has the greatest chance of being a "homerun" investment. I own quite a few rare coins but I see the ANA has the most potential. It might be greatest error coin in China Mint history. I thought it was the first major error coin, but some say it is the 1984 great wall metal. It has heroes spelt as "heros" on the reverse of the coin. I would love to own one of those but it is a 15k-25k coin. Way too expensive for me....

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2014, 08:01:01 AM »
Holy Moly, you guys are good.  I couldn't see those spots...or probably preferred not to see them. LOL.  However, as PandorLunar said, for a rare one it is okay to not be 'perfect.'  Makes all the sense in the world.  As a side note, Nick Brown wrote a book called, top 100 U.S. error coins.  I wonder if there is such a thing for the Chinese market yet?  I guess there would have be 2 books?  One for coins and one for medals?  Hey, maybe there's an idea for Peter Anthony? hehehe. Thanks once again for all the input poco/jc/bonke, etc...oh, and when I submit, it will first go to conserve, then to NGC...along with my 7 2008 Panda banknotes.  Can't wait.  Have a great day all.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2014, 08:08:51 AM »
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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #60 on: May 03, 2014, 08:10:15 AM »
For barsenault motivation :)  good luck on your 7 bank notes the medal is the real tough one to grade

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #61 on: May 03, 2014, 08:11:21 AM »
more pics

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« Reply #62 on: May 03, 2014, 08:59:01 AM »
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Very nice. thanks for sharing.  Those 69's are worth some good dollars.  are they apart of the case?  Were they conserved?  I can't wait to get mine graded.  I have lots to grade.  man, looking forward to that bill!!

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #63 on: May 03, 2014, 09:53:18 AM »
I have the original box and coa.it is a cool box ,yes both where conserved.....the medal is probably worth more than the coin in that grade ,only 10 have been graded with 80% under pf69 when you see them they almost always are hazy and spotty I got lucky and bought a complete pristine set a apx 3 or 4 years ago in omp I didn't grade them for a long time because they looked so darn cool in the elaborate box they come in but I finally gave in to preserve the set,good luck with yours!
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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #64 on: May 03, 2014, 10:59:09 AM »
I have the original box and coa.it is a cool box ,yes both where conserved.....the medal is probably worth more than the coin in that grade ,only 10 have been graded with 80% under pf69 when you see them they almost always are hazy and spotty I got lucky and bought a complete pristine set a apx 3 or 4 years ago in omp I didn't grade them for a long time because they looked so darn cool in the elaborate box they come in but I finally gave in to preserve the set,good luck with yours!
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I have to say that is one of my personal all time favorites sets.  I have 2, not graded, same box, coa, simply magical.  I'm sure we'll get yelled at by Mirk or someone for not keeping the thread on the 1985 ANA. LOL.  Some people just have to lighten up you know? LOL  by the way, I don't think the medal will be worth more than the coin?  I've seen some of those 69 banknotes go for 1,500 -1,900.  The medals not so much.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #65 on: May 03, 2014, 04:06:20 PM »
Here you go JC.  Picture and video of my little golden bears. I think if you click on the picture it enlarges.  I haven't quite figured out how to post big pictures like yours, unfortunately!!  Hey Mirk, I though you might like them too? N20



click on link to view video of my little golden bears.  N30
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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #66 on: May 03, 2014, 06:25:18 PM »
nice!

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #67 on: May 03, 2014, 07:26:26 PM »
I have the original box and coa.it is a cool box ,yes both where conserved.....the medal is probably worth more than the coin in that grade ,only 10 have been graded with 80% under pf69 when you see them they almost always are hazy and spotty I got lucky and bought a complete pristine set a apx 3 or 4 years ago in omp I didn't grade them for a long time because they looked so darn cool in the elaborate box they come in but I finally gave in to preserve the set,good luck with yours!
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I have one of the 2 NGC 69s, do you have the other? I had to submit 4 medals to NGC to get a 69, which is slightly better than average (20% get 69)

Is PCGS giving out higher grades on these?

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #68 on: May 03, 2014, 07:35:05 PM »
I have one of the 2 NGC 69s, do you have the other? I had to submit 4 medals to NGC to get a 69, which is slightly better than average (20% get 69)

Is PCGS giving out higher grades on these?

yes David I have the other pf69 medal ............. I agree the pcgs coins should not be 69,s at least 2 of the 3 that I have seen there is one listed on ebay for $464usd  ebay #151289004914  IMHO it is a pf68 or less by NGC standard,s  look at the fields hazy as all heck:)   you look at the 69 coin I have it is mirrored in the fields with zero haze................

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #69 on: May 03, 2014, 10:54:37 PM »
Yes, this is the problem with PCGS. Using 20% grading 69 at NGC, and at a cost of $150 a medal, with grading costs and shipping it costs about $800-$850 to get a NGC 69 submitting 5 medals. The 68s and 67s you probably have to take a loss on but maybe consider selling 4 at average price of $100. At at $464, after ebay fees, there would be no profit, if it was a NGC 69 grade.At $800, and selling the 4 other lower grade coins at a loss, the endeavour is profitable. But due to the presence of the PCGS 69s in the market its hard to think that you would be able to avoid a loss on the 68s and 67s.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #70 on: May 03, 2014, 11:07:12 PM »
Yes, this is the problem with PCGS. Using 20% grading 69 at NGC, and at a cost of $150 a medal, with grading costs and shipping it costs about $800-$850 to get a NGC 69 submitting 5 medals. The 68s and 67s you probably have to take a loss on but maybe consider selling 4 at average price of $100. At at $464, after ebay fees, there would be no profit, if it was a NGC 69 grade.At $800, and selling the 4 other lower grade coins at a loss, the endeavour is profitable. But due to the presence of the PCGS 69s in the market its hard to think that you would be able to avoid a loss on the 68s and 67s.

Just hold them for a few years, and they'll be worth a few thousand, and presto, no problems at all with profitability.  LOL. Having fun of course. Well, not really, because I ain't selling mine whether it is a 67 or a 70. :-)

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #71 on: May 04, 2014, 07:04:19 AM »
Just hold them for a few years, and they'll be worth a few thousand, and presto, no problems at all with profitability.  LOL. Having fun of course. Well, not really, because I ain't selling mine whether it is a 67 or a 70. :-)
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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #72 on: May 06, 2014, 03:44:40 PM »
Ebay 331196395035    85 PF 68 ANA   -start bid $2,750-    PA........

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #73 on: May 06, 2014, 03:51:32 PM »
Watching! :-) thanks much!!

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #74 on: May 06, 2014, 04:23:09 PM »
Watching! :-) thanks much!!
You should buy it. You don't have a lot of this medal.
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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #75 on: May 06, 2014, 04:28:26 PM »
You should buy it. You don't have a lot of this medal.

Funny.  I'm happy with 2 thank you very much. :-).  Although if I close a mega deal in my job, I'll be eyeing another one. :-)

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #76 on: May 07, 2014, 06:30:11 AM »
Ebay 331196395035    85 PF 68 ANA   -start bid $2,750-    PA........
looks from the cert # to be conserved by NCS  ........

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #77 on: January 23, 2015, 10:03:38 PM »
Clark just sold a PF68 ANA for 3,500.00. Wonder if these are starting to move to strong hands.  I still have...will always have my 2 (PF68/raw) ones.  Just sharing the news. :-)

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #78 on: January 23, 2015, 10:19:04 PM »
Some coins/medals are like eating potato chips.  You just cannot have one or two  :laugh:

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #79 on: January 24, 2015, 06:59:25 AM »
Funny you say that, I was going to buy that one that sold for 3,500, but instead off 3,500, I asked Clark for 2,800, and he said yes, but couldn't gather the funds fast enough; I called him and he said it was gone, 'at full price.'  I was like, whoa...had a good conversation with him.  He's a good guy. 

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #80 on: June 01, 2015, 07:18:56 AM »
For those who are interested.  No affiliation with the seller.  N3  I have 2 of these, and am thankful.  One of the great China error medals.  All the best everyone.  Have a splendid, happy and marvelous week.  Although I'm not active on this site, I do continue to learn from some of the greats regarding Chinese coins and medals.  

Oh, have I told you how much I love the Nanjing Panda and mint lately. hehehe.  Sorry had to do it.   N66. Just having fun.  And for those who know me outside of this forum, you know that I'm just having fun.   :thumbup:

I do wonder how many of these are really left.  

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-China-Great-Wall-NGC-PF68-UC-94th-ANA-Silver-Ag-1oz-Non-Panda-Chinese-Error-/281707166732?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41970e3c0c

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #82 on: November 24, 2016, 09:17:25 PM »
The coin is more affordable than you think, a 69 sells for $1500 these days possible less right now.  67 should be below $800.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #83 on: November 25, 2016, 01:07:46 AM »
Thanks for the info. I usually check eBay sold listings and/or search around if I find some other site. I'm not big fan of "buy it now" auctions, bidding is far more interesting.

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #84 on: November 25, 2016, 03:33:35 AM »
A 69 graded coin last sold for $2540 on 11-7-2016

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Re: 1985 1oz ANA silver medal (Coin World Article, 1985)
« Reply #85 on: November 25, 2016, 08:33:59 AM »
Mr Ge says 500 mint but there have been many listed on ebay this year, graded and OMP.......