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Offline mcc168

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #75 on: December 17, 2012, 01:36:24 AM »
Reported both fake coins to eBay. Hope eBay will do something to this seller.

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #76 on: December 17, 2012, 10:45:40 AM »
The Mazu listing is removed, but the 1/4 oz panda NY Expo is still there.  Its cert number is 2758069-003 and NGC lists that coin as "DELETED" just like the Mazu listing 3356524-206

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/CertResults.aspx?CertNumber=2758069-003
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/CertResults.aspx?CertNumber=3356524-206

The Mazu listed above is different than the one at the beginning of this thread which was 3356524-158, which was also one of the 4 deleted cert numbers from the 3356524 series.  Our friend Jimmy seems to have the worst luck of getting DELETED NGC slabs.

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #78 on: December 20, 2012, 02:27:02 AM »
Same coin again :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1989-CHINA-GOLD-1-4-OZ-PANDA-NEW-YORK-EXPO-PF-68-ULTRA-CAMEO-/281041097579?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item416f5ad36b

Reported seller as well as coin.  NGC Cert. # 2770113-003. This is a fake coin in a fake NGC holder.
This seller (lyubov3) has listed many fake coins in fake holders with different NGC cert. # during last few weeks.

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #79 on: December 20, 2012, 02:31:30 AM »

Thanks, Poconopenn,

Yes, but that didn't stop him from coming on this Forum, and SHOUTING IN ALL CAPS at us how ignorant we were and how experienced and trustworthy and (my favorite) "reputable" a seller he is.
Yet oddly, he keeps trying to sell over and over again, the same old fake N36


(Reported, as well- for the umpteenth time)
« Last Edit: December 20, 2012, 02:34:54 AM by Hipanda »
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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #80 on: December 20, 2012, 08:54:30 AM »
I am a proud owner of this FAKE:: NGC Cert. # 2770113-003 also.

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #81 on: December 20, 2012, 11:40:18 AM »
I am a proud owner of this FAKE:: NGC Cert. # 2770113-003 also.
Could you tell us where did you purchase this fake and show detailed pictures of the slab, front and back?

The three NGC numbers to avoid regarding 1989 1/4 oz NY Expo are:
2765913-015
2770113-003
2758069-003
lyubov3 managed to sell all three, repeatly

Many of known fakes with NGC slabs are marked as "DELETED" in NGC database.  Maybe this is NGC's way of informing people of potential fakes.  I have a growing list of DELETED (37 at this moment) as I delved into NGC database.  I guess I should talked to NGC first before I publish the full list.


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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #82 on: December 20, 2012, 03:09:54 PM »
lyubov3 relisted 2758069-003 again.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1989-CHINA-GOLD-1-4-OZ-PANDA-NEW-YORK-EXPO-PF-69-ULTRA-CAMEO-/281041099289?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item416f5ada19

Reported again.

List for 2770113-003 was removed by ebay immediately after reported.

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #83 on: December 20, 2012, 03:12:48 PM »
I also reported his fake gold coins several times. Yet, each time he relisted the coins immediately after listing being removed - this seller has no shame or conscience.

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #84 on: December 20, 2012, 03:45:03 PM »
Sandac

I posted photo's of 2770113-003 on the thread below.
<http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=3345.msg33504#msg33504> in Feb.

Could post more if required. Purchased on ebay and did report once I got affirmation from the forum.
 I recently saw on NGC that it had been DELETED. Not knowing what that meant I contacted to inquire. The response was send a photo which I did. They confirmed FAKE..I inquired as to clues, from my novice eye. it is hard to tell the real from? NGC wouldn't reveal any clues, saying they have secret (somethings) as clues. But wouldn't reveal as they are secret.
Told me to look at slabs of authentic and compare..I have and other then shaking( the fake rattles ) the slab there's not much difference.

Harder to tell slab counterfeit then the coin.

Has anyone broken a FAKE  slab open yet??
Love to by don't want to ruin it's future FAKE collector value.




Could you tell us where did you purchase this fake and show detailed pictures of the slab, front and back?

The three NGC numbers to avoid regarding 1989 1/4 oz NY Expo are:
2765913-015
2770113-003
2758069-003
lyubov3 managed to sell all three, repeatly

Many of known fakes with NGC slabs are marked as "DELETED" in NGC database.  Maybe this is NGC's way of informing people of potential fakes.  I have a growing list of DELETED (37 at this moment) as I delved into NGC database.  I guess I should talked to NGC first before I publish the full list.

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #85 on: December 20, 2012, 04:05:40 PM »
Here are pictures of fake 1989 NY Expo. gold coin in fake NGC 2758069-003 for future reference.

Genuine NGC coin can be seen in NGC website. Grade was marked as "deleted".

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/CertResults.aspx?CertNumber=2758069-003

I am sure that NGC staff is reading this thread. What is  the definition of "grade deleted " in NGC website? Many members of CCF are also NGC member. As  members, we have the right to know.


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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #86 on: December 20, 2012, 04:41:57 PM »

  Purchased on ebay 


dkhalsa:

Please disclose the name of the seller, so we can all keep an eye on these fake-coin sellers.  Thanks.

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #87 on: December 20, 2012, 05:27:27 PM »
Hey SANDAC- did you "test" your fake Mazu yet in any manner?  (Acid, grinder, hacksaw, Vegematic? ....) N4

Probably waiting for the electric density gizmo first, I gather?
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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #88 on: December 20, 2012, 07:48:11 PM »
   Below is the item listing on eBay

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diaz2012shopping was the seller but has been delisted.
He was listed as being in Canada but the item was shipped from CPX in Rosemount California.
Another of suspicion is  dodsongreat1113 from eBay who also was listed in Canada but shipped from Rosemount also.

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #89 on: December 20, 2012, 08:11:47 PM »
Hey SANDAC- did you "test" your fake Mazu yet in any manner?  (Acid, grinder, hacksaw, Vegematic? ....) N4

Probably waiting for the electric density gizmo first, I gather?
I AM planning on a homebrew density measurement.

I'm not at the destructive testing phase yet.  A forum member has provided me with a contact who will perform XRF test for a modest fee.  I'll wait after the Christmas to ship the item to him.  In the meantime I took the coin around town to talk to precious metal buyers and coin dealers and looking for XRF capability locally.  It interesting how dealers/buyers can just feel the coin, inspect it with their ever-present loupe and pronouce it a plated coin.

I did have an interersting conversation with a coin dealer who had a XRF at one time about solid vs plated coins.  He confirms that XRF can look through encapsulated slabs and get accurate readings.  He says it is easy to tell a Morgan dollar (90% silver) from heavily silver-plated fake Morgan dollar because silver plating is almost always pure silver so XRF will read 100% silver.  It is possible to electroplate with 90% silver alloy, but he says the coin surface will look "lumpy".  I don't know what that means, but substituting "Pagoda" for "Morgan", I have the feeling that an experienced dealer or grader can tell silver-plated from sterling silver quite easily. 

We can also take our encapsulated Pagoda and run it through XRF to tell whether it is sterling silver or 100% silver.