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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2012, 12:22:16 AM »
DEAR COMMUNITY,
WE ARE THE SELLERS OF THE 1987 MAZU GOLD 1/4 OZ COIN ON EBAY. OUR ID AND STORE NAME IS LYUBOV3. FIRST OF ALL, WHY YOU DID NOT CONTACT US , AS THE SELLER OF THE ITEM, AND GAVE US YOUR OPINION ABOUT THIS COIN. WE NEVER SELL FAKE
COINS. CHECK OUR FEEDBACKS ON EBAY. BUT ANYTHING POSSIBLE, EVEN BEST OF US CAN MAKE A MISTAKE. WE BOUGHT THIS COIN ALREADY SLABBED FROM VERY KNOWN AND REPUTABLE COIN DEALER . FIRST OF ALL, IN OUR OPINION THIS COIN IS TOO COMMON TO MAKE A FAKE, BUT EVEN SO WE DECIDED TO END THE LISTING OF THIS COIN ON EBAY AND WE WILL CHECK WITH NGC IF THIS COIN REAL OR FAKE.
EVEN NGS PROFESSIONAL GRADERS CAN NOT TELL ONLY BY THE PICTURE IF COIN IS 100% REAL OR NOT. ANY DEALERS, WHO HAS EXPERIENCE OF GRADING COINS KNOWS, THAT YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT COIN IN ORDER TO FIND OUT FOR SURE, IF COIN IS REAL OR FAKE. THAT'S WHY IN OUR OPINION, THE WHOLE DISCUSSION IS BOGUS AND HAS NO VALUE. WE WILL RESUBMIT THIS COIN TO NGC AND WILL GET BACK TO YOU.
THANK YOU.
RESPECTFULLY, LYUBOV3.



Hi, welcome to the forum.

It is my understanding that your 1987 Mazu gold coin was returned once to you as a fake coin by the previous buyer. It was 3 gm lighter than the genuine slab with the genuine coin.



 

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2012, 01:28:15 AM »
DEAR COMMUNITY,
WE ARE THE SELLERS OF THE 1987 MAZU GOLD 1/4 OZ COIN ON EBAY. OUR ID AND STORE NAME IS LYUBOV3. FIRST OF ALL, WHY YOU DID NOT CONTACT US , AS THE SELLER OF THE ITEM, AND GAVE US YOUR OPINION ABOUT THIS COIN. WE NEVER SELL FAKE
COINS. CHECK OUR FEEDBACKS ON EBAY. BUT ANYTHING POSSIBLE, EVEN BEST OF US CAN MAKE A MISTAKE. WE BOUGHT THIS COIN ALREADY SLABBED FROM VERY KNOWN AND REPUTABLE COIN DEALER . FIRST OF ALL, IN OUR OPINION THIS COIN IS TOO COMMON TO MAKE A FAKE, BUT EVEN SO WE DECIDED TO END THE LISTING OF THIS COIN ON EBAY AND WE WILL CHECK WITH NGC IF THIS COIN REAL OR FAKE.
EVEN NGS PROFESSIONAL GRADERS CAN NOT TELL ONLY BY THE PICTURE IF COIN IS 100% REAL OR NOT. ANY DEALERS, WHO HAS EXPERIENCE OF GRADING COINS KNOWS, THAT YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT COIN IN ORDER TO FIND OUT FOR SURE, IF COIN IS REAL OR FAKE. THAT'S WHY IN OUR OPINION, THE WHOLE DISCUSSION IS BOGUS AND HAS NO VALUE. WE WILL RESUBMIT THIS COIN TO NGC AND WILL GET BACK TO YOU.
THANK YOU.
RESPECTFULLY, LYUBOV3.

 

This was the same 1987 Mazu gold coin sold by you on 10/12 and returned by the buyer because it was questionable, due to 3 gm lighter than the genuine coin in genuine slab.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1987-CHINA-GOLD-1-4-OZ-25-MAZU-NGC-PF-68-ULTRA-CAMEO-/280985981257

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2012, 01:48:08 AM »
Jimmy? What is your answer to that?

( please - not all caps- that does not
give weight, only makes seem like you are shouting)

Thnx-
 
Please- can you help constructively to reveal source of these fakes?
« Last Edit: November 15, 2012, 01:50:59 AM by Hipanda »
"He who speaks without modesty will find it difficult to make his words good."

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2012, 02:31:38 AM »
DEAR COMMUNITY,
YES. WE SOLD THE COIN AND COIN WAS RETURN FOR THE FULL REFUND.
YES, THIS BUYER COMPLAIN THAT COIN AND THE HOLDER SLIGHTLY LIGHTER, THEN IT SUPPOSED TO BE, BUT IT WAS NEVER DISCUSSION THAT IT WAS 3 GRAMS LIGHTER.
WE HAVE A POLICY 14 DAYS RETURN NO QUESTION ASK TO THE FULL SATISFACTION OF ANY CUSTOMER. THIS IS A REASON, WE NEVER ARGUE WITH THE BUYER IF THIS COIN REAL OR FAKE. BUT, LET ME TELL YOU WITH 40 YEARS EXPERIENCE DEALING AND COLLECTING PROFESSIONALY AND PERSONALY, THIS COIN, IN OUR OPINION, IS REAL.
HOWEVER, VERY COMMON ISSUE, ALMOST BULLION. WE  TRUST NGC, AND DO NOT TRUST  ANYBODY, WHO HAS VERY LITTLE EXPERIENCE, OR NONE IN COINS GRADING.
WE DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHO YOU ARE, AND WHAT IS YOUR ID ON EBAY, AND WHAT IS YOUR FEEDBACK SCORE. WE HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE AND WE POST OUR ID AND STORE NAME.  SO, WE DO NOT KNOW YOUR EXPERIENCE, AND WHY QUALIFIED TO BE EXPERT IN THIS FIELD. IN MY OPINION, YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO, SO YOU TRY TO INSALT PEOPLE, YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW. PLEASE, GET BUSY WITH YOUR LIFE. AND PLEASE, DO NOT REPRESENT YOURSELF. THANK YOU, LYUBOV3.

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2012, 02:54:41 AM »
Thanks for your comment jimmy.  We now know you do very little reasearch. If you were truly interested in what you sold, you would see on this thread a controversey regarding the 1987 Mazu merchandise you sell.

Follow the thread, see how there cannot possibly be two non-identical coins, in the same NGC numbered slab.
See how the cons differ: one clearly has lines in the hair, the other doesnt.  You can see that, if you care to take the time to look.

You can come to the conclusion one is not right.  One is fake.  Then its easy to do a little more reasearch to see which one is original. There are websites and links for that.

But no, you can be excused.  You dont care, really, do you?  You are a dealer who sells what you got.
If its returned, its no concern to you why, really, you'll just try to find another buyer.

It was nice doing business with you, once.  I'll choose not risk my money with you, with your current attitude, again.

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2012, 03:23:44 AM »
Jimmy,
 Is it, as it appears, that you sold this same coin Aug 29, again on Sept 14, and again on Oct 12, when it was returned as being underweight-  And never a Suspicion from you that something was wrong?
"He who speaks without modesty will find it difficult to make his words good."

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2012, 03:49:09 AM »
DEAR COMMUNITY,
I TELL YOU ONE THING, YOU ARE DEFINETELY NOT AN EXPERT, IF YOU USE THE PICTURE TO DECIDE WHICH COIN IS REAL AND WHICH COIN IS FAKE. SO, WHAT IS YOUR EBAY ID AND WHAT IS YOUR FEEDBACK SCORE, AND WHAT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE IN COINS GRADING?
IN ORDER TO CHECK ANY COIN IS REAL OR FAKE, WE HAVE TO HAVE ACTUAL COIN AND 12 POWER LUPE ( AT LEAST) : FIRST YOU HAVE TO CHECK THE STRIKE, LUSTER, RIM, LETTERS, AND SO ON... PEOPLE LIKE YOU, IS THE MAIN REASON WE SELL SO LITTLE ON EBAY, AND WE PREFFER TO SELL WHOLESALE. MOSTLY, WE HAD GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH EBAY POPULATION. THANK YOU FOR BUYING FROM US BEFORE. AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR BUSINESS. END OF DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU.
RESPECTFULLY,LYUBOV3.
P.S. ANY NGC GRADER WILL TELL YOU, THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE  THE COIN OUT OF THE SLAB FIRST AND THEN DECIDE IF COIN IS REAL OR NOT. USUALLY, IT IS DONE BY THE TEAM OF THREE GRADERS. GET BUSY WITH YOUR LIFE.

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2012, 10:14:20 AM »
Jimmy,
 Is it, as it appears, that you sold this same coin Aug 29, again on Sept 14, and again on Oct 12, when it was returned as being underweight-  And never a Suspicion from you that something was wrong?

Nice catch. I did see that particular coin on ebay and I first checked the seller and just flagged him to myself so did not check this coin closely. Anyone who did not check closely may have missed that it was a fake.

I agree the real scary thing is the higher quality fake slab. NGC AND PCGS should band together and do anything possible to put a stop to this quick as it could hurt their business.

Again Great Job.

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2012, 05:38:37 AM »
Dear Jimmy,
Tsk, tsk,,, what you don't understand is you are in way over your head here.
You have been exposed as a repeat offender selling fake coins by some of the best experts there are.  :lol:
« Last Edit: November 16, 2012, 05:51:33 AM by NBM »

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2012, 01:20:08 PM »
Look like the same cert# to me. The pictures not clear. But sell under difference Ebay ID

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2012, 01:22:27 PM »
Yes, it has the same cert. #.

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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2012, 01:51:05 PM »
There could be a number of these fake Mazu medals out there with the same certification number.

These counterfeiters have gone through the cost of making realistic slabs and labels and even NGC holograms- and they may have untold amounts of these.
Is there any doubt their eyes are set on a larger operation?

Just a few relatively obscure medals does not make sense-  but to recap we have seen detectable fakes now in these realistic NGC slabs for the 1982 Gold Panda, the 1989 NY Expo Gold Panda, and the 1987 Gold Mazu medal. It makes More sense if it might be a test run of a flood of popular fakes soon to be in progress.
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Re: Fake NGC slab danger
« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2012, 04:43:23 PM »
Yes, fake coin in fake slab
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