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Badon resigns? No way!
« on: October 28, 2012, 08:17:46 AM »
Badon, you are no longer administrator of CCF and LBC?  Are you kidding me?  Why?  You have helped this Chinese coin community a heck of alot.  Your posts are read around the world.  I appreciate the education and knowledge that you freely gave to us newbies and all others.  Your personality quirks are no big deal as the help you have given is much more valuable.  Don't we all have personality quirks.  I sure do.  Almost 2 yrs ago I had zero understanding of the coin market.  Today, others ask me questions.  Can't we establish common sense rules to posting opinions?  PLEASE RECONSIDER!!  Stay w/ our forum!!.................

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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2012, 09:04:30 AM »
Badon is the owner of LBC, so no problem there, and Badon can still participate here as a regular member unless he doesn't want to. The next CCF administrator better be prepared to disclose your coin holdings to avoid any potential conflict of interest.

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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2012, 09:05:56 AM »
Thanks for bringing that up. I hope that badon gave up moderation to have more time for discussing content.  :001_rolleyes:

The other discussion was closed too late or too early. In my opinion it should have been closed when the fair discussion ended. But finally there was a time of silence and everybody thought about what’s going on. In my opinion the conciliation phase would have been following, but that was not possible.

Members that barely contributed something to the content of the forum made claims. :cursing: That often happens when forums grow very fast. In addition, I think some guys would love to see the forum down since here is very valuable information freely available. Those guys earn their money with advanced knowledge. I know that much more knowledge, especially related to varieties, is out there but some things are kept secret.

If we want to reveal the secrets of Chinese coins and educate a new generation of collectors then we must stay together! There are only two ways for all members: open your mind and contribute something or let the whole thing go down.  :blink:

When I brought some things up about a specific coin only three members contributed to that discussion and two of them are gone. I asked for some photos from other users that could help to clarify that. There was no response. So why should someone bring up new research in a public forum instead of discussing it in private with some specific members (or in the home forum)?

Badon, you have done a great job for the MCC’s. Thanks for that :thumbup: Nobody expects an inerrable human being. Just take your time and please come back.  
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Re: Badon resigns? No way!
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2012, 09:23:02 AM »
Badon is the owner of LBC, so no problem there, and Badon can still participate here as a regular member unless he doesn't want to. The next CCF administrator better be prepared to disclose your coin holdings to avoid any potential conflict of interest.
Is coin collecting really that much related to stock gambling? I think a forum is about exchanging thoughts and information. As long as an admin does not delete content that does not match his opinion how would a conflict of interest look like?
If an admin knows much about coins he probably owns some. That is much better than having someone with no clue.
If the whole thing is only about comments then every member giving an opinion would have to disclose all holdings.

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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2012, 09:41:11 AM »
四通八达,有4也有8,就乱搭一通。终点到了,也该下车了。

真相毕竟是丑陋的。能看清真相的人很少。

众人皆醉时,更应珍惜清醒的人!

莫待哪天您醒了,才后悔错怪了疼惜您的朋友。

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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2012, 10:05:53 AM »
To be great is to be misunderstood. It's great to be misunderstood, or it's a great misunderstanding.

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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2012, 10:21:50 AM »
Or a missed opportunity to understand greatness.

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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2012, 11:13:56 AM »
Or as Mark Twain says: "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

He also says: "Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."

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Re: Badon resigns? No way!
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2012, 11:19:34 AM »
What? Did i miss something?

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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2012, 01:19:03 PM »
"Commit a crime, and the earth is made of glass."

Ralph Waldo Emerson

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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2012, 01:23:09 PM »
"Commit a crime, and the earth is made of glass."

Ralph Waldo Emerson

In cyberspace, criminals are made of invisible gas, unfortunately.

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Re: Badon resigns? No way!
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2012, 05:08:04 PM »
Now the question is, will the Owner or whoever the new Admin is remove the bans on Underbidder and Comeaux (assuming they want back in as their old selves  :001_smile:).  Also, we all need to work together and try to bring back Poconopenn.

I don't think a new Admin needs to disclose what his / her coins are.  They just need to be very careful if they are actively pumping certain coins.  At that point, it might be wise to disclose they have a personal interest in those coins.  I believe the deeper issue of the previous discussion had more to do with general integrity then what coins he really has.
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2012, 05:35:45 PM »
If this is true, here is my 2 cents:

1) When the administrator talks( or promotes) about certain coins heavily, it would be nice to give some kind of disclosure, esp. when someone talks about super rare MCC, this is to avoid future conflict of interests and being a suspect of "pump and dump", this was a valid point brought up by Poconoppen.

2) We need to bring back Poconoppen to the forum.

3) Lift bans on other two members?

4) We appreciate the time and efforts that Badon has donated to the succses of the forum.

Happy collecting.

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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2012, 05:48:09 PM »
You can see the current staff roster here:
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=6566.msg40108;topicseen#msg40108

Snowball is now the sole adminstrator, BTW, he is also the owner.

It has been stated before during the heat of discussion, but perhaps it merits restating in this calm Sunday afternoon:
banning a member is a deliberated process requiring consensus of staffs.  The notion of a vengeful adminstrator dealt out penalty at will is completely false.

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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2012, 06:17:13 PM »
You can see the current staff roster here:
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=6566.msg40108;topicseen#msg40108

Snowball is now the sole adminstrator, BTW, he is also the owner.

It has been stated before during the heat of discussion, but perhaps it merits restating in this calm Sunday afternoon:
banning a member is a deliberated process requiring consensus of staffs.  The notion of a vengeful adminstrator dealt out penalty at will is completely false.

Banning Underbidder and Comeaux after being banned is a "consensus of staffs"?

Yet you allowed Badon to be an administrator knowing exacting who he is and still allow him to post.

It all members here understood all the facts all would stand shoulder to shoulder with Underbidder, Comeaux, and Poconopenn who left

on his own for noble reasons. I think it's time for you guys to fact check yourselves.

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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2012, 06:32:29 PM »
Poconopenn's departure is entirely his own decision.  I believe I can speak for the entire staffs that we'll be delighted for his return, if he so chose.  His calm demeanor and quiet authority are sorely missed by all.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2012, 06:35:11 PM by SANDAC »

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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2012, 06:46:54 PM »
Sadly, this forum has degenerated into quite the shambles.

First of all, to accuse Badon of pumping certain coins because he owned them is an utter joke beyond belief. Not only did his recommended coins cover most of the MCC landscape (eg all Pandas, Lunars etc) but cornering that market would require substantial wealth.

If you ban Badon you may as well ban Mr Ge's book and Panda Collector (oh right, he quit already) and...and...

Second, even the coins Badon most loudly pounded the table on (Pagodas, God of Wealth, Goldfish) have been easily available at lower prices over the past two years.

Considering the banning of these individuals is a group effort ('consensus of staff'), and because CCF is only as good as its members, the banning of active members constitutes a significant loss of intellectual property.

Therefore, before going forward, each member deserves to know

1. the reasoning of each staffs decision to ban a member
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2. the coin holdings of each staff that has the power to ban a member

Otherwise as much conflict of interest has been created by the bans as has been resolved.

This whole episode stinks to high heaven and its no surprise certain members of the MCC community decide not to participate here.


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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2012, 06:48:23 PM »
Yes I believe I did say Poconopenn left of his own accord. I also said he did so for noble reasons.

Underbidder and Comeaux were banned and SANDAC knows why. I know why. Many others know why. Badon/qwasty knows why. But no one has posted the true reason. To keep any Ban on ANYONE yet allow badon/qwasty to post is SICK. You know why I choose that particular word. Are all administrators truly in the loop?

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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2012, 07:30:14 PM »
Yes, staffs of recent past are in the loop.  I said "staffs of recent past" because I don't want to drag Birdman into this mudhole.  He had graciously agreed to help out after PandaCollector resigned, and this is hardly the way to pay for his generosity.

The simple fact is this: banning is hard, resignation is easy (this is an unpaid job).  We've already lost a valued member, a great moderator and an experienced adminstrator.  Let's work together and make this a great place to talk about coins.

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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2012, 08:11:09 PM »

First of all, to accuse Badon of pumping certain coins because he owned them is an utter joke beyond belief. Not only did his recommended coins cover most of the MCC landscape (eg all Pandas, Lunars etc) but cornering that market would require substantial wealth.

If you ban Badon you may as well ban Mr Ge's book and Panda Collector (oh right, he quit already) and...and...

Second, even the coins Badon most loudly pounded the table on (Pagodas, God of Wealth, Goldfish) have been easily available at lower prices over the past two years.

Considering the banning of these individuals is a group effort ('consensus of staff'), and because CCF is only as good as its members, the banning of active members constitutes a significant loss of intellectual property.


David, no offense but claiming Badon pumped coins he owned is NOT an utter joke.  It was clear he "favored" certain coins.  He wrote huge articles on Pagodas and talked about them at length in his Investment Lists.  The highest prices of Pagodas and God of war were reached around the time he was writing about them!  The problem is the hype didn't continue.  The high prices brought out more and more, thus driving prices down.  

Here is a picture, one of the VERY few, Badon has ever posted on the forum:

http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=6487.15

He didn't say these were his coins but I can't imagine he would post someone elses with crediting the picture to them.  Look at the coins; pagodas, goldfish, god of wars, etc.

That is the point of pumping coins.  You buy a bunch for cheap then advertise them.  I don't think Badon was planning on pumping and dumping (at least not yet)  but he definitely was pumping.  Being an adminstrator and the blatant way he did it is questionable.

Take myself.  Look at my signature, it is clear I collect, among other things, 1/10 oz gold pandas.  You don't see me running around the forum constantly cheering 1/10 oz gold pandas.  If I were an admin and was doing that it would be even more annoying.  Although having it in my signature is technically "advertising" or "bragging" I suppose!  I guess I am mostly promoting the NGC registry since I think it is a great tool for collectors.  I have no affiliation with NGC  :001_tt2:

« Last Edit: October 28, 2012, 08:17:53 PM by Obsidian »

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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2012, 08:18:47 PM »
@GDG
I do not have a clue about the background of badon. Also I do not share his opinion on all topics and skip some paragraphs in his writings, but he contributed with a lot of work and knowledge and was always there to help. Loosing Poconopenn finally would be an unimaginable loss for the quality of the forum. Comeaux also contributed a lot of content and I would like to hear from him again.

Another topic, which may be related to the discussion:
I have no illusion that in all forums professional coin dealers participate a lot. And that may also include bringing up uncertainty for coins they want to buy and highlight coins they want to sell. Nearly nobody discusses specific coins without any relation to them.
I have seen many attempts to put a flag on (the profile of) professional coin dealers and no attempt ever succeeded.

Everybody with enough money to buy MCC’s should be able to decide what to do with it. There is no free lunch and you cannot get rich by buying something. Should everything be only about money?

SANDAC: Let's work together and make this a great place to talk about coins.
 :thumbup:

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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2012, 08:32:20 PM »
I would also like to add, using the forum statistics posted by Badon in his Investment List #165:

http://www.LBC/smf/index.php?topic=5221.0

5 of the top 10 posters are now either restricted from posting or have chosen to participate to a lesser degree.  That clearly is not a good thing.

I don't think there is any reason most of those members can't be brought back and allowed to participate either from removal of the bans or from support from the rest of us.

I would also like to suggest that the moderators and / or Snowball communicate with the forum.  If the bans will or will not be removed, when, etc.  I think a lot of frustration from certain members could have been or can be avoided if more communication were employed.  With any PR problem it is best to be ahead of it instead of playing catch up.  I feel a lot of catch-up has been played.

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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2012, 08:58:35 PM »
DavidT, you are a wize man in MCC. Do you think the Baden affect had nothing to do with the price hike of the GoW? It certainly brought it into the spotlight. I watched it's price slide also. If you bought at the top(you most likely didnt) & had to sell at a loss, that's bad business. I think it's called manipulation! I've read archives stating that Baden did not want to write about something until he held a position. That's being aware of manipulation. So I guess it's up to the individual to decide if this is ethical & as this is a private site & there is no impeachment process, the upset individuals got frustrated & angry.

What amazed me:
Shocking revelation about Baden not entering his own coins in CC.
For whatever reason, it looked deceitful, upset ppl & caused animosity.
&
The way respected members responded with emotionally charged backlash was terrible but it was because: Q's not answered clearly, we are financially involved at many levels & to find the pied piper did not jump off the cliff also clearly separates the group causing animosity & fracture.

If someone sells you something you ask "what's it taste like?", if they reply "never tasted it", do you buy? Im sure Brad Pitt doesn't wear Chanel but his reputation is now behind the brand. If they find it casnigenic his rep is smeared. Same with MrShamWow. Integrity is sooo important. I didn't care if Clinton shagged fattys but he shouldn't have got caught because many ppl didn't like the fact. Had nothing to do with his fiscal direction or policy, it showed lack of respect & proved him dishonest. He got the sack! Baden resigned of his own free will.

I agree with Obsidian on much!
If it quacks like a duck, no matter the regime, it is still a duck! Sad state of affairs.

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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2012, 09:00:51 PM »
We buy and hold coins, we come here to talk about coins, we are bullish about coins.  The members who posted the most become adminstrator and moderators.  They are the biggest cheerleaders of this bullish crowd.  So you are entirely correct, that administrator along with the members pump up MCC.  When Pagoda and GOW peaked, all MCC peaked.  Badon is good, but not that good.  A rising tide lifts all boats, he is just riding along in his boat celebrating with everyone else.  The picture he posted is indeed not his.  See his explaination a few posts later:  http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=6487.msg39403#msg39403

If a message from CCF adminstrator on behalf of the entire staffs started with this line:
Congratulation, you are invited to join the CCF staff, a volunteering position.   Please submit your entire holding of coins with weekly updates ready for immediate public release...  I don't think I'll join then, nor now.  Will you?

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« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2012, 10:28:20 PM »
Yes I believe I did say Poconopenn left of his own accord. I also said he did so for noble reasons.

Underbidder and Comeaux were banned and SANDAC knows why. I know why. Many others know why. Badon/qwasty knows why. But no one has posted the true reason. To keep any Ban on ANYONE yet allow badon/qwasty to post is SICK. You know why I choose that particular word. Are all administrators truly in the loop?

Just as we try to stamp out online fraud, shenanigans, and shill bidding with online sellers and buyers, we should also be vigilant to call out any forms of malfeasance past or present that may make this way through this forum.  Sweeping dust under the carpet only discredits and holds this forum to a low moral standard.  We can talk about MCCs all day but it does not wipe away the truth.

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« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2012, 10:43:29 PM »
Just as we try to stamp out online fraud, shenanigans, and shill bidding with online sellers and buyers, we should also be vigilant to call out any forms of malfeasance past or present that may make this way through this forum.  Sweeping dust under the carpet only discredits and holds this forum to a low moral standard.  We can talk about MCCs all day but it does not wipe away the truth.

Panda Express:

100% in agreement with ya !!!

Not to stand on a "political correctness" soap box, but what PE said is very true. To stand silently by and allow cyber crimes to happen affects all of us. Internet is a strange environment where people can post and say things without consequences, and criminals with evil intentions can blend in and pretend to be one of us to commit misdeeds.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2012, 11:11:36 PM by dynamike51 »

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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2012, 02:00:24 AM »
If a message from CCF adminstrator on behalf of the entire staffs started with this line:
Congratulation, you are invited to join the CCF staff, a volunteering position.   Please submit your entire holding of coins with weekly updates ready for immediate public release...  I don't think I'll join then, nor now.  Will you?

Read this!

http://coin001.cn/read.php?tid=18840

在香港,一个评论某某股票的人必须在评论结束,公布自己是否持有这个股票,虽然这仅仅是一个形式话的承诺,但是你们这些版主连起码的承诺都给出。

But don't get me wrong, I am not interest in your coin holding. I have learnt to never trust any investment advice.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2012, 02:08:43 AM by low »

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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2012, 02:51:41 AM »
Hi everyone! I just found this discussion, and I must say, it is an interesting read. Now that I'm just a regular member, I can see things from your point of view quite a bit better now. At first I thought the accusations of pumping and other misdeeds were totally random, but now I can see why you might be suspicious. A few things I want to mention:

1. God of war & wealth prices were already rising when I became interested in them and started writing about them. If I remember correctly, they had already gained something like 400% by the time I started buying them and writing about them (up from $140).

2. I try to own the coins before I write about htem. The reason why I prefer to wait to write about coins until after I have bought them is because it is an important gauge of just how confident I am about a coin's investment potential. If I hesitate to buy it for myself, then I know I shouldn't be recommending it for other people.

3. I could never afford to buy all the coins I want. I mention 1995 1 oz gold proof pandas pretty frequently, for example. Those are so expensive, I can't afford to buy them every time they show up on eBay, even though I would very much like to. I blow through my cash fast buying up as much as I can as quickly as I can, and then I'm cash-poor for a while. When that happens, I write about interesting coins. God of war & wealth are interesting because they're popular, good investments, AND there are 6 known varieties. God of longevity is very similar - why doesn't anyone accuse me of pumping longevities? I write a LOT about lunars and 70 grade coins. Most of the coins I buy are often so rare that pumping would be useless. God of longevity, 70 grades, many of the lunars, and the 1995 1 oz gold proof panda are all too rare to benefit anybody with pumping. That's why dealers like marketing small size gold pandas - they're popular and available for buying and selling. I have invested in those too!

4. I rarely sell my coins. When I do, it's usually sold to a dealer or given away in a trade (usually to dealers again).

5. I am famous for overpaying. Very often it's my own articles that make the coins I buy so expensive. I have often lost money over the short term. In fact, I don't think there are any coins I own that I have not lost money on soon after I bought it. My buying strategy is very bizarre, but it works for me. Instead of buying at the lows, I try to buy at the peaks. I make the same percentage profits as everybody else over the long term! "Pumping" does not help my buying strategy. Pumping doesn't work without dumping, and my buying strategy usually ensures I'm the buyer if there is "pumping" going on.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2012, 02:54:22 AM by badon »

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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2012, 09:57:10 PM »
各位认识与不认识的朋友,如您选择相信真相,就请静下心,真相比您想像中丑陋何止千万倍!就怕忠言逆耳,您听不进。
顺道交代,我纯粹喜欢金银币,不作投资,更厌恶利益份子在此炒作。

badon,遇见你,岂止三生不幸!时间到了,该下车了!多行不义必自毙!好自为之

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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2012, 09:59:07 PM »
各位认识与不认识的朋友,如您选择相信真相,就请静下心,真相比您想像中丑陋何止千万倍!就怕忠言逆耳,您听不进。
顺道交代,我纯粹喜欢金银币,不作投资,更厌恶利益份子在此炒作。

badon,遇见你,岂止三生不幸!时间到了,该下车了!多行不义必自毙!好自为之

Low,

Words of wisdom, indeed.

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« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2012, 10:01:16 PM »
Thanks dynamike51.

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Re: Badon resigns? No way!
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2012, 10:05:46 PM »
Thanks dynamike51.

忠言逆耳 ..... Good medicine is bitter tasting.  How true.

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« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2012, 11:08:37 PM »
各位认识与不认识的朋友,如您选择相信真相,就请静下心,真相比您想像中丑陋何止千万倍!就怕忠言逆耳,您听不进。
顺道交代,我纯粹喜欢金银币,不作投资,更厌恶利益份子在此炒作。

badon,遇见你,岂止三生不幸!时间到了,该下车了!多行不义必自毙!好自为之


Low, I wish every forum member can read your Chinese writing. Makes perfect sense!

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« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2012, 11:18:03 PM »
Thanks pandaccumulator

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« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2012, 11:37:21 PM »
各位认识与不认识的朋友,如您选择相信真相,就请静下心,真相比您想像中丑陋何止千万倍!就怕忠言逆耳,您听不进。
顺道交代,我纯粹喜欢金银币,不作投资,更厌恶利益份子在此炒作。

badon,遇见你,岂止三生不幸!时间到了,该下车了!多行不义必自毙!好自为之

Thankyou Low for your 忠言!

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« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2012, 11:43:01 PM »
Thanks moosician

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« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2012, 11:48:22 PM »
Thanks moosician

本来不想说,经邪恶如badon者膜拜,古塔很快变成骨塔,金鱼很快就成死鱼。
即便您不懂或拒绝真相,也请行行好,切勿助纣为孽!祸害新进金银币爱好着

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I must say you are full of wisdom.

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« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2012, 11:54:24 PM »
本来不想说,经邪恶如badon者膜拜,古塔很快变成骨塔,金鱼很快就成死鱼。
即便您不懂或拒绝真相,也请行行好,切勿助纣为孽!祸害新进金银币爱好着

Low:

I must say you are full of wisdom.

Many thanks dynamike51.

Unfortunately I can't turn those words into solid investment advice and make my coins worth 1000 times more. Hahaha.

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Re: Badon resigns? No way!
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2012, 04:08:08 AM »
Low, you should be appointed moderator!

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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2012, 04:30:55 AM »
“不是鲁迅笔下阿Q”的Q先生,遇见你,岂止三生不幸!时间到了,该下车了!多行不义必自X!好自为之!(自行过虑敏感X字,省得有心人玩弄文字游戏,唉!)
Q先生之护航者 - “好自为之” 总可以吧。我也迷糊了。乖,高抬贵手,别妖言惑众!行吗?

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« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2012, 09:01:00 AM »
“不是鲁迅笔下阿Q”的Q先生,遇见你,岂止三生不幸!时间到了,该下车了!多行不义必自X!好自为之!(自行过虑敏感X字,省得有心人玩弄文字游戏,唉!)
Q先生之护航者 - “好自为之” 总可以吧。我也迷糊了。乖,高抬贵手,别妖言惑众!行吗?

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Ha ha, very funny! Let me see...Shouldn't this "X" in "多行不义必自X" be "B" like in "B"adon? lol

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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2012, 09:13:13 AM »
Can you translate that to English so we can all read it?  Also, as the MCC market picks back up slowly and coin values rise, will that slow down the disagreements on this forum?............

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« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2012, 10:06:24 AM »
This is so funny :)  Per Google Translate:

“不是鲁迅笔下阿Q”的Q先生,遇见你,岂止三生不幸!时间到了,该下车了!多行不义必自X!好自为之!(自行过虑敏感X字,省得有心人玩弄文字游戏,唉!)
Q先生之护航者 - “好自为之” 总可以吧。我也迷糊了。乖,高抬贵手,别妖言惑众!行吗?

"Not the Lu Xun Ah Q" Q Mr. meet you more than just Sansei unfortunately! Time to get off! Unjust must from X! Look out for themselves! (Worry too much sensitive X word itself, to save off playing with words, alas!)
Escort Mr. Q - "look out for themselves" can always be right. I am also confused. Good, spare, do not spread heresy! OK?

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« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2012, 10:43:18 AM »
本人对在此论坛人身攻击冷嘲热讽一直保持零容忍的态度。不管您认不认同他人的观点,只要牵涉到人身攻击就是越过了论坛的底线。badon离职的主因也在此。
以互相尊重为本,分享,交流,快乐,是此论坛的宗旨。 如果说您认为自己做不到的话,我们不会挽留。

I have personally maintained a continuous zero tolerance stance on personal attacks and inappropriate satirical remarks.
It doesn't matter who you are or what your point of view is, resorting to personal attacks crosses the line of decency by and drags the forum down. This was a major contributing factor in badon's resignation. Mutual respect is the basic tenant for this sharing, productive and enjoyable, forum. If you say you are personally incapable of maintaining these basic standards we will not urge you to stay.

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« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2012, 11:49:01 AM »
本人对在此论坛人身攻击冷嘲热讽一直保持零容忍的态度。不管您认不认同他人的观点,只要牵涉到人身攻击就是越过了论坛的底线。badon离职的主因也在此。
以互相尊重为本,分享,交流,快乐,是此论坛的宗旨。 如果说您认为自己做不到的话,我们不会挽留。

谢谢

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Did not know you could write Chinese, snowball!

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« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2012, 11:52:49 AM »
It is just a human nature. When the prices were going up, everyone was in good mood and satisfied and did not care much about others. But when investments went in wrong way, it was obvious that some of us were more of investors than collectors and felt more offended then it would be in a good days.
Anyway, recently I just tried to find better place to read discussions and did not enjoyed time spent here too much.
Even MCC does not look so bright to me now. Not much objective, but what can be objective in a human world.?

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« Reply #46 on: October 30, 2012, 12:55:20 PM »
本人对在此论坛人身攻击冷嘲热讽一直保持零容忍的态度。不管您认不认同他人的观点,只要牵涉到人身攻击就是越过了论坛的底线。badon离职的主因也在此。
以互相尊重为本,分享,交流,快乐,是此论坛的宗旨。 如果说您认为自己做不到的话,我们不会挽留。

谢谢

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Excellent! Google Translate is doing much better in this case:

I am in this forum personal attacks cynicism has maintained a zero tolerance attitude. Whether you believe do not agree with the views of others, as long as it involves personal attacks is over the bottom line of the Forum. main cause also badon leave.
Oriented mutual respect, sharing, exchange, happiness is the purpose of this forum. If you do not think you can do that, then we will not retain.

Thank you

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« Reply #47 on: October 30, 2012, 02:29:30 PM »
My two cents on this issue: there is no question badon contributed a lot to CCF and to MCC in general, with his time, his posts and his vision of the big picture. His style catches on easily with some followers. On the other hand, he is limited in his view due to the language barrier, blocked from the numismatic and market information in China. That impacts his judgment and his calls.

Before I joined CCF, I was wondering at the price gap of pagodas and goldfish between the US and China markets. Normally prices in China are higher than in the US. When I bought a Xinjiang silver coin on eBay at $2000, the Chinese market price was around $2500. It is all natural because of the larger collector community in China, thus the higher demand and price. But the pagoda and goldfish prices were the opposite. Actually they were way higher here in the US. I found the clue after I joined CCF. I brought this issue up and butted heads with badon on these medals in particular and on medals in general. In the end I gave up, not because I was convinced, but because I did not have time responding to his eloquence. If he believes that the US/Western preference can lead the MCC market and discover values ahead of Chinese collectors, so much the better. I certainly would not bet against the trend.

There is no clear evidence that badon has been pumping and dumping. But the medals he promoted certainly fit into the profile of a pumping and dumping game: readily available on the market, small capitalization, some characteristic to be exaggerated on (mintage in this case), and volatility in pricing. Badon denied the "dumping" part as he claimed he did not sell his coins/medals. But in my opinion, swapping a set of silver pagodas with a 95 proof gold panda realizes the profit all the same, although no selling is involved.

We may agree or disagree about the benefits/loss of badon's departure. But at least CCF can free itself from the obsession with two sets of relatively obscure medals. They have their place in MCC, but not as much as they have been elevated to. They are certainly not the top choice for newbies, which "low" alludes to in his signature.

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« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2012, 04:10:25 PM »
My thoughts for whatever its worth.

1. CC??  totally user unfriendly except for a few insiders?   hhhmmmm

2. Badon always raving about the (pagoda, fish)medals?   hhmmmm   LOL There other more respected & HARDER to find medals that china & the U.S. respect!

3. Badon/qwasty whoever he is is well known for his issue on "personal privacy"    hmmmm  Every Co. you can find out tons of info on there board members!

4. Badon resign? fired? or forced to resign??  and WHY?????  If it is something that could EXTREMELY taint this forum in any way, shape or form..  A person with TRUE integrity would not of taken the job of Immense responsibility in the first place.

5. This was a board/forum on Modern chinese coins, MCC will be here long after Badon/qwasty/board drama is gone.

6. Cut out the cancer & lets move on with talkin MCC's!!!!   Whoever has the power STEPUP, Do what needs to be done!

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« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2012, 04:26:33 PM »
I really enjoyed reading this post. you present a very level-headed analysis of the situation without getting too personal or emotional. Thank you!

My two cents on this issue: there is no question badon contributed a lot to CCF and to MCC in general, with his time, his posts and his vision of the big picture. His style catches on easily with some followers. On the other hand, he is limited in his view due to the language barrier, blocked from the numismatic and market information in China. That impacts his judgment and his calls.

Before I joined CCF, I was wondering at the price gap of pagodas and goldfish between the US and China markets. Normally prices in China are higher than in the US. When I bought a Xinjiang silver coin on eBay at $2000, the Chinese market price was around $2500. It is all natural because of the larger collector community in China, thus the higher demand and price. But the pagoda and goldfish prices were the opposite. Actually they were way higher here in the US. I found the clue after I joined CCF. I brought this issue up and butted heads with badon on these medals in particular and on medals in general. In the end I gave up, not because I was convinced, but because I did not have time responding to his eloquence. If he believes that the US/Western preference can lead the MCC market and discover values ahead of Chinese collectors, so much the better. I certainly would not bet against the trend.

There is no clear evidence that badon has been pumping and dumping. But the medals he promoted certainly fit into the profile of a pumping and dumping game: readily available on the market, small capitalization, some characteristic to be exaggerated on (mintage in this case), and volatility in pricing. Badon denied the "dumping" part as he claimed he did not sell his coins/medals. But in my opinion, swapping a set of silver pagodas with a 95 proof gold panda realizes the profit all the same, although no selling is involved.

We may agree or disagree about the benefits/loss of badon's departure. But at least CCF can free itself from the obsession with two sets of relatively obscure medals. They have their place in MCC, but not as much as they have been elevated to. They are certainly not the top choice for newbies, which "low" alludes to in his signature.

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« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2012, 04:35:25 PM »
I would also like to simply say that I agree with both fwang2450 and MrOrganic.

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« Reply #51 on: October 30, 2012, 06:46:26 PM »
My two cents on this issue: there is no question badon contributed a lot to CCF and to MCC in general, with his time, his posts and his vision of the big picture. His style catches on easily with some followers. On the other hand, he is limited in his view due to the language barrier, blocked from the numismatic and market information in China. That impacts his judgment and his calls.

Before I joined CCF, I was wondering at the price gap of pagodas and goldfish between the US and China markets. Normally prices in China are higher than in the US. When I bought a Xinjiang silver coin on eBay at $2000, the Chinese market price was around $2500. It is all natural because of the larger collector community in China, thus the higher demand and price. But the pagoda and goldfish prices were the opposite. Actually they were way higher here in the US. I found the clue after I joined CCF. I brought this issue up and butted heads with badon on these medals in particular and on medals in general. In the end I gave up, not because I was convinced, but because I did not have time responding to his eloquence. If he believes that the US/Western preference can lead the MCC market and discover values ahead of Chinese collectors, so much the better. I certainly would not bet against the trend.

There is no clear evidence that badon has been pumping and dumping. But the medals he promoted certainly fit into the profile of a pumping and dumping game: readily available on the market, small capitalization, some characteristic to be exaggerated on (mintage in this case), and volatility in pricing. Badon denied the "dumping" part as he claimed he did not sell his coins/medals. But in my opinion, swapping a set of silver pagodas with a 95 proof gold panda realizes the profit all the same, although no selling is involved.

We may agree or disagree about the benefits/loss of badon's departure. But at least CCF can free itself from the obsession with two sets of relatively obscure medals. They have their place in MCC, but not as much as they have been elevated to. They are certainly not the top choice for newbies, which "low" alludes to in his signature.

Such a fair statement, thank you for speaking the truth.

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« Reply #52 on: October 30, 2012, 08:21:04 PM »
A person with TRUE integrity would not of taken the job of Immense responsibility in the first place.

It saddens me greatly to see people say things like that. I hope you didn't mean it. Members and staff have built this forum into what it is today, with a lot of hard work (staff), and a lot of joy (everyone).

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« Reply #53 on: October 30, 2012, 09:21:05 PM »
My two cents on this issue: there is no question badon contributed a lot to CCF and to MCC in general, with his time, his posts and his vision of the big picture. His style catches on easily with some followers. On the other hand, he is limited in his view due to the language barrier, blocked from the numismatic and market information in China. That impacts his judgment and his calls.

Before I joined CCF, I was wondering at the price gap of pagodas and goldfish between the US and China markets. Normally prices in China are higher than in the US. When I bought a Xinjiang silver coin on eBay at $2000, the Chinese market price was around $2500. It is all natural because of the larger collector community in China, thus the higher demand and price. But the pagoda and goldfish prices were the opposite. Actually they were way higher here in the US. I found the clue after I joined CCF. I brought this issue up and butted heads with badon on these medals in particular and on medals in general. In the end I gave up, not because I was convinced, but because I did not have time responding to his eloquence. If he believes that the US/Western preference can lead the MCC market and discover values ahead of Chinese collectors, so much the better. I certainly would not bet against the trend.

There is no clear evidence that badon has been pumping and dumping. But the medals he promoted certainly fit into the profile of a pumping and dumping game: readily available on the market, small capitalization, some characteristic to be exaggerated on (mintage in this case), and volatility in pricing. Badon denied the "dumping" part as he claimed he did not sell his coins/medals. But in my opinion, swapping a set of silver pagodas with a 95 proof gold panda realizes the profit all the same, although no selling is involved.

We may agree or disagree about the benefits/loss of badon's departure. But at least CCF can free itself from the obsession with two sets of relatively obscure medals. They have their place in MCC, but not as much as they have been elevated to. They are certainly not the top choice for newbies, which "low" alludes to in his signature.

Couldnt agree more.


1. CC??  totally user unfriendly except for a few insiders?   hhhmmmm


Agreed, wish the interface was simpler without too many different codes and numbers and links...

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« Reply #54 on: October 30, 2012, 10:45:06 PM »
本人对在此论坛人身攻击冷嘲热讽一直保持零容忍的态度。不管您认不认同他人的观点,只要牵涉到人身攻击就是越过了论坛的底线。badon离职的主因也在此。
以互相尊重为本,分享,交流,快乐,是此论坛的宗旨。 如果说您认为自己做不到的话,我们不会挽留。

I have personally maintained a continuous zero tolerance stance on personal attacks and inappropriate satirical remarks.
It doesn't matter who you are or what your point of view is, resorting to personal attacks crosses the line of decency by and drags the forum down. This was a major contributing factor in badon's resignation. Mutual respect is the basic tenant for this sharing, productive and enjoyable, forum. If you say you are personally incapable of maintaining these basic standards we will not urge you to stay.

謝谢
Thank you

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« Reply #55 on: October 30, 2012, 11:10:04 PM »

It saddens me greatly to see people say things like that. I hope you didn't mean it. Members and staff have built this forum into what it is today, with a lot of hard work (staff), and a lot of joy (everyone).

Mr Organics quote was actually:

"If it is something that could EXTREMELY taint this forum in any way, shape or form..  A person with TRUE integrity would not of taken the job of Immense responsibility in the first place."

He clearly didn't mean to imply that a person with integrity wouldn't take a job of immense responsibility on the forum.  However, you likely know this.

We all appreciate the hard work of the owner and moderators, etc.









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« Reply #56 on: October 31, 2012, 08:52:07 AM »
Mr Organic:  The CC is not user friendly to me either.  I have emailed Badon on this but it may need time, money and skills to make it user friendly.  The CC, LBC, and CCF are all fairly new and going thru a continual improvement process.  Maybe members could be of help  Do any forum readers know of a trusting computer whiz that could help improve it?  Could Badon, Tamo or Snowball let us know what is needed to improve them and maybe we could help?  Is patience on our part the answer?   My guess is the priority is the functioning of the systems first and becoming user friendly is later.  The crew in charge is dedicated so the system will eventually improve.  ..................

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« Reply #57 on: October 31, 2012, 10:01:01 AM »

It has been stated before during the heat of discussion, but perhaps it merits restating in this calm Sunday afternoon:
banning a member is a deliberated process requiring consensus of staffs.  The notion of a vengeful adminstrator dealt out penalty at will is completely false.

Just for the record, at the time this took place I was not aware that the two members were under consideration for banning. If other staff members tried to communicate with me on this matter, I did not see their message(s). The consensus of staff did not include me, as I had no knowledge of it, or input.

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« Reply #58 on: October 31, 2012, 11:04:43 AM »
My apology, PandaCollector, for making an incorrect representation of your involvement.  I wish to retract the "concensus of staffs" phrase, as it is now obviously not supported by the party involved.  It is still my opinion, with my few short weeks of involvement in the deliberation behind the scense, that decision to ban is a lengthy one and the original accusation by some of the forum members of a rouge adminstrator handing out penaly without accountability is still incorrect.

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Re: Badon resigns? No way!
« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2012, 08:50:08 PM »
Mr Organic:  The CC is not user friendly to me either.  I have emailed Badon on this but it may need time, money and skills to make it user friendly.  The CC, LBC, and CCF are all fairly new and going thru a continual improvement process.  Maybe members could be of help  Do any forum readers know of a trusting computer whiz that could help improve it?  Could Badon, Tamo or Snowball let us know what is needed to improve them and maybe we could help?  Is patience on our part the answer?   My guess is the priority is the functioning of the systems first and becoming user friendly is later.  The crew in charge is dedicated so the system will eventually improve.  ..................

The CC is still very much in beta. Features are still being developed. It's probably somewhere around 25% complete. Usability will come later. I agree it's hard to use in its current state.

LBC is a forum. The fact that market information is available at all is something of a miracle :). As the CC develops more and more, I think LBC will be used less and less for this task.