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1997 Khan
« on: October 27, 2012, 10:16:15 PM »
Look like one is froster than the other?  The characters (date, denomination, ...) are fatter also?

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Re: 1997 Khan
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2012, 06:59:45 AM »
The second photo looks like http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=5340.0. Did you take to first one yourself? It may be a matter of light conditions and file compression. Could you please provide more photos?

I raised some similar questions on another coin, so far without results.
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=5340.msg38886#msg38886

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Re: 1997 Khan
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2012, 12:59:25 PM »
I'm doing a bit of research to learn more about the 1997 Khan.  If I recalled, the 2nd picture is from the CC.  I do not recalled where I got the 1st from.

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Re: 1997 Khan
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2012, 01:21:59 PM »
I used the word "vanishing features" to describe fading features on the Historical Figures thread.  See
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=4585.msg25369#msg25369
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=4585.msg25370#msg25370
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=4585.msg26205#msg26205

There are many examples of other vanishing features in the thread.

In the ensuing discussion, we generally agreed that vanishing features is considered a minor variation.  I believe it is a very common phenomena in MCC.  Personally I think it is interesting and worthy of collecting, but my enthusiam is not widely shared

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Re: 1997 Khan
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2012, 06:41:09 PM »
What are the going market value and mintage of the 1997 Khan with and without parenthesis?

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Re: 1997 Khan
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2012, 06:52:28 PM »
A recent sale of 1997 Khan (OMP) without parenthesis didn't get any bid at $200, but sold quickly with BIN at $150.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Yuan-China-1997-Ghengis-Khan-Silver-Rare-/321013231689?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item4abde13049

I don't remember a recent sale of Khan with parenthesis, but expect 10-15x greater price.

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Re: 1997 Khan
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2012, 07:35:43 PM »
What are the going market value and mintage of the 1997 Khan with and without parenthesis?
At the Dongfang Auction (epama) in Shanghai on Sept 15, the Traditional Culture series 1-2 which included Khan with parentheses sold for RMB64,000 (raw coins). The selling point was just this coin. The auction house said there were around 20 specimens of this variety. But a month later, a PF68 Traditional Culture series 2 set which also had Khan with parentheses only sold for RMB17600 at zhao online. After checking sales records on Chinese sites in the past years, it seems that there are more than 20 specimens of this variety.

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Re: 1997 Khan
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2012, 07:39:10 PM »
A recent sale of 1997 Khan (OMP) without parenthesis didn't get any bid at $200, but sold quickly with BIN at $150.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Yuan-China-1997-Ghengis-Khan-Silver-Rare-/321013231689?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item4abde13049
I bought a raw coin for $152 a month ago, with no parentheses. I would guess raw coins of this variety would be priced between $150-$200.

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Re: 1997 Khan
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2012, 07:43:21 PM »
What are the going market value and mintage of the 1997 Khan with and without parenthesis?
There is a PF69 set with parentheses on sale on eBay right now:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121008175654?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
If I am not wrong, the seller is Gilmore?

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Re: 1997 Khan
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2012, 08:30:50 PM »
There is a PF69 set with parentheses on sale on eBay right now:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121008175654?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
If I am not wrong, the seller is Gilmore?
That's a pretty decent price.  All PF69, hmmm.  I'm sorely tempted...

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Re: 1997 Khan
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2012, 08:36:48 PM »
I also know two 1997 Khan with parenthesis sold in the spring of this year in Germany.  The whole 5-coin set was sold for $653 BIN, TWICE.  I missed them both times.  They were gone in minutes!

http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=5340.msg32867#msg32867

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Re: 1997 Khan
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2012, 10:13:27 PM »
Mr Ge lists mintage at 2,700.  What is the mintage for the with and without parenthesis?

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Re: 1997 Khan
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2012, 03:24:23 AM »
Sales overview "Parenthesis variety". Copied from here:

http://www.goldseiten-forum.de/index.php?page=Thread&postID=774485#post774485

Sales (incl. buyer's premium, without VAT):

- 2,530 EUR (in the complete set, so 5 x 1 oz), 2011-09, auction Germany
- 7,600 EUR / 63,860 RMB (in the complete set + complete set 1995, 10 x 1 oz), 2011-09, auction China
- 874 EUR (together with 1 ounce I & D 1994), 2011-09, eBay Germany
- 5,000 EUR / 41,715 RMB (in the complete set, so 5 x 1 oz), 2011-11, auction China
- 1,350 EUR (alone), 2011-11, fixed price sale Germany
- 4,300 EUR / 36,565 RMB (in the complete set, so 5 x 1 oz), 2011-12, auction China
- 3,400 EUR / 28,840 RMB (in the complete set, so 5 x 1 oz), 2011-12, auction China
- 2,100 EUR / 17,716 RMB (in the complete set, so 5 x 1 oz), 2011-12, auction China
- 1725 EUR (in the complete set, so 5 x 1 oz), 2012-02, auction Germany
- 3,100 EUR / 25,750 RMB (alone), 2012-03, auction China
- 2,050 EUR / 16,892 RMB (alone), 2012-04, auction China
- 1725 EUR (in the complete set, so 5 x 1 oz), 2012-04, auction Germany
- 1,270 EUR / 10,506 RMB (alone), 2012-04, auction China
- 1,525 EUR (alone), 2012-04, eBay Germany
- 1,344 EUR (alone), 2012-06, eBay Germany
- 1,210 EUR (alone), 2012-06, eBay Germany
- 6xx EUR (alone), 2012 -?, EBay Germany, with scratches
- 890 EUR / 7,210 RMB (alone), 2012-07, auction China
- 1,900 EUR / 15,450 RMB (alone), 2012-07, Chinese auction, NGC PF69 Ultra Cameo
- 1,650 EUR / 13,390 RMB (alone), 2012-08, Chinese auction, NGC PF68 Ultra Cameo
- 2,150 EUR / 17,510 RMB (alone), 2012-08, Chinese auction, NGC PF69 Ultra Cameo
- 1,450 EUR (alone), 2012-09, eBay Germany
- 2,200 EUR / 17,922 RMB (in the complete set, so 5 x 1 oz), 2012-10, Chinese auction, NGC PF68 Ultra Cameo
- 1,770 EUR / 14,008 RMB (alone), 2012-10, auction China
- 1221 EUR (alone), 2012-11, eBay Germany
- 3,440 EUR / 27,295 RMB (in the complete set, so 5 x 1 oz), 2012-11, Chinese auction, NGC PF69 Ultra Cameo ("Parenthesis")
- 2,350 EUR / 18,746 RMB (alone), 2012-11, Chinese auction, NGC PF69 Ultra Cameo

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Re: 1997 Khan
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2012, 05:23:40 AM »
By the way: why don't we create some sort of "variety corner" where we document all known varieties and categorize them? We could link to the already existing threads if someone needs more detailed information / pictures. It would be great to have such a portal ...

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Re: 1997 Khan
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2013, 02:51:14 PM »
I just finalized my analysis of the NGC graded 1997 Khan silver specimens:

I have 192 certification numbers in my data base.

I had to discard 3 of them because they were either without images or tagged as deleted (one of them with label Parentheses).

Of the remaining 189

169 are of the "No Parentheses" variety

20 are of the "Parentheses" variety (with the following grades: 12 x PF69, 6 x PF68, and 2 x PF67)

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