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【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« on: September 21, 2012, 10:26:22 AM »
LOOK


图片中靠上面的那枚的文字:“5 OZ Ag .999  中国造币公司”,比下面那枚整体逆时针偏转约10度:

我的收藏品:三枚不同的版本
« Last Edit: September 23, 2012, 08:40:17 AM by RAREMEDAL »
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Re: 【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2012, 07:28:09 PM »
Ok... what does that mean?

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Re: 【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2012, 06:18:13 AM »
Ok... what does that mean?

Microsoft translator

此银章目前我发现三种版本,图案有所不同。
This Silver now I found three versions, designs vary.

于2006年时,偶尔发现此章下边缘有一个氧化点,很神奇:
In 2006, occasionally found under this chapter an edge a point oxide, is amazing:

居然多枚都有几乎相同的氧化点,目前发现不止五六枚,皆有此状。
Oxide over almost the same point, discovered more than five or six, there is this.

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Re: 【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2012, 06:33:37 AM »
Thanks Low. A picture of my 5oz medal.



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Re: 【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2012, 07:53:25 PM »
I'm not sure I understand what is he pointing out in the 2nd picture, is it a lint mark?

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Re: 【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2012, 08:00:17 PM »
I'm not sure either.

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Re: 【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2012, 08:43:39 PM »
He is saying that the oxidation spots have similar shapes on 5 or 6 different medals. It is amazing.

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Re: 【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2012, 09:33:41 PM »
3 varieties?   I see where the left panda ear is close to .999 and on the other medal, the left panda ear is not close to .999.   What is the 3rd variety?..........................

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Re: 【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2012, 02:08:09 AM »
He is saying that the oxidation spots have similar shapes on 5 or 6 different medals. It is amazing.
Thank you fwang2450.
Could the die be carrying the contaminant that caused the oxidation?

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Re: 【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2012, 01:37:50 PM »
I have found the bamboo pc FAR from #5 is harder to find.

you find that also????
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Re: 【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2012, 01:31:18 AM »
I added 11 more 1986 ANA medal to Coin Compendium to the existing 14 specimen.  Created two subtypes, "regular text" and "rotated text".  Out of the 25 specimen in CC database, 5 are the rotated text or 20%.  So it is true that the rotated text is much harder to find.

Another interesting point:  All five rotated text specimen have the same "oxidation mark" noted by RAREMEDAL, same shape, same location. 

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Re: 【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2012, 03:39:50 AM »
3 varieties?   I see where the left panda ear is close to .999 and on the other medal, the left panda ear is not close to .999.   What is the 3rd variety?..........................

Did someone figure out what is the 3rd variety?

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Re: 【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2012, 08:11:43 AM »
The 3rd variety is the oxidation spots?  SANDAC, what is the rotated text and regular text?  Is the 20% rotated text have the .999 close to left ear?  This is good news for a overlooked and undervalued 5 oz medal.  I favor the 1980's silver MCC.  The 1987 5 oz medals are also cast aside.  Wonder if the Long Beach has a variety?  These 5 oz medals have alot going for them w/ low mintages and early dates. ....................

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Re: 【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2012, 11:29:11 AM »
Here are three versions, based on Mr. Feng's pictures.

First and second version, as shown in picture 1 attached, are regular text and rotated text as mentioned by SANDAC.

The third version, as shown in picture 2, the part of leaf next to the left ear of rotated text version is missing.
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Re: 【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2012, 12:10:50 PM »
Based on coin in the picutre posted by lightsview, there is fourth version, regular text with missing leaf.

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Re: 【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2012, 03:29:44 PM »
The 3rd variety is the oxidation spots?  SANDAC, what is the rotated text and regular text?  Is the 20% rotated text have the .999 close to left ear?  This is good news for a overlooked and undervalued 5 oz medal.  I favor the 1980's silver MCC.  The 1987 5 oz medals are also cast aside.  Wonder if the Long Beach has a variety?  These 5 oz medals have alot going for them w/ low mintages and early dates. ....................
My names for the varieties are based on RAREMEDAL's orginal description, but I see now it was in Chinese, so it may not be clear to you.  The "rotated text" is the one with ".999" far from the panda's ear.  That's the hard-to-find one.  I wouldn't be at all surprised that earlier MCC and medals have major variation (like rotated text), or minor variation (like missing/fading leaf).  RAREMEDAL has written several articles about such varieties.

The photos posted on this thread have lots of glare, so I'm uncertain of the third variety that RAREMEDAL referring to.  Examining the limited photos from NGC database I wasn't able to see obvious differences for a third variety.   

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Re: 【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2012, 04:33:48 PM »
Currently, eBay has 4 medals listed. All are regular text with missing leaf, same as lightsview's medal (4th version as mentioned in my previous posting).

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313&_nkw=1986+ANA+medal&_sacat=11116&_from=R40

Attached picture shows a rotated text version with missing leaf, same as medal in  Mr. Feng's first picture (3rd version mentioned in my previous posting).

This regular text version (the listing below) also shows the same oxidation spot as in rotated text version, but less visible.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHINA-1986-SILVER-5-OZ-ANA-95th-CONVENTION-PANDA-MEDAL-/220848707754?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item336b9bd8aa

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Re: 【F】《1986 95th ANA Convention 5 Oz silver medal 》 Discovery
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2012, 06:13:09 PM »
Based on coin in the picutre posted by lightsview, there is fourth version, regular text with missing leaf.

Wow, 4 varieties! Thanks for the explanation poconopenn.