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Offline dynamike51

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Re: Fake
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2012, 02:11:59 AM »

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Re: Fake
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2012, 02:24:55 PM »

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Re: Fake
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2012, 11:52:21 AM »
Both 1989 NY Expo gold coin and 1988P 1/4 oz gold panda coin were removed by eBay yesterday.

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Re: Fake
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2012, 01:29:25 PM »
whatever

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Re: Fake
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2012, 02:27:44 PM »
Poconopenn has proven to have the highest reliability here...

Yes, at first that 1988 proof passes a quick glance, but if one compares it, the lettering appears just a little to wide and the details  of the temple too poorly defined for a proof strike. Those are a few things to look for when suspecting a fake. It would be harder to be suspicious if this were a typical BU coin.

This fake is pretty good.  Scary.

Thanks once again, Poconopenn! 

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Re: Fake
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2012, 03:21:38 PM »
The 88P 1/4 looks real, not fake.


Since the listing has removed, I can not post the picture to show you the problem of this coin. There are irregular bulged surface on 25 Yuan and make 2 and 5 wider than genuine coin in part of these two numbers. The irregular bulged surface also shown on the Chinese characters on the temple side. This is a clear indication of a copy. The recent high quality fake does not show design difference, but has an imperfection of surface morphology and poorly defined three dimensional details.  
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Re: Fake
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2012, 04:20:57 PM »
I kick myself for not saving a photo of it...

It is yet another new milestone in fakes for a couple of important reasons...
- no real perceptible design flaw differences, as Poconopenn says, just imperfections.
- a rather low mintage proof was chosen rather than a high mintage coin

Makes me wonder what happens when the fakers improve just a little bit further... Plus the increeases in quality in fake graded slabs...When will we no longer be able to determine real vs fake from photos?

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Re: Fake
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2012, 08:00:59 PM »
A dealer friend of mine offered me the 1989 NY expo medal, the 1982 1/4 oz AU panda....both coins were in counterfeit NGC holders and both coins are fake. luckily I spotted them right away! Unfortunately he already owned them. Both certs matched coins posted here. He had a third coin but i didnt even look and just assumed it was also bad. If any users need pics, I'm sure I can get them. LMK... FYI, these coins came out of Florida.
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Re: Fake
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2012, 10:25:15 PM »
A dealer friend of mine offered me the 1989 NY expo medal, the 1982 1/4 oz AU panda....both coins were in counterfeit NGC holders and both coins are fake. luckily I spotted them right away! Unfortunately he already owned them. Both certs matched coins posted here. He had a third coin but i didnt even look and just assumed it was also bad. If any users need pics, I'm sure I can get them. LMK... FYI, these coins came out of Florida.
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The same happened to me. I bought a 1/4 oz gold Chinese proof coin "certified" as "NGC PF69" on ebay, received the coin and didn't check it out carefully with the impression that certified means guaranteed and I even left the seller a positive feedback. A few days later, I received an email from poconoppen(thanks to our undisputed "king" of counterfeit detective!)  suggesting it was not a genuine. I compared the coin with NGC's picture, and realized it was a fake. Apparently, the faker had stolen NGC serial numbers. The lesion: alway exam your coin carefully, including slabbed coins!

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Re: Fake
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2012, 11:03:21 PM »
Is there a Fake Compendium?

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Re: Fake
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2012, 09:16:01 PM »
Is this the same fake 1989 Expo 1/4 in NGC holder (fake?) which has been popping up, or are there many?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1989-PROOF-NEW-YORK-EXPO-CHINA-1-4-OUNCE-GOLD-PANDA-NGC-PF69-ULTRA-CAMEO-COIN-/130747322581?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item1e7125d0d5

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Re: Fake
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2012, 06:36:25 PM »
it's the same one. I have returned this coin to the seller (difference seller). But... may be many of them same serial # ??

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Re: Fake
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2012, 11:04:38 PM »
NGC Cert.# 2765913-001 to -019 (20 coins) are 1989 NY Expo. gold medal.

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/CertResults.aspx?CertNumber=2765913-001