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Re: Fake
« Reply #60 on: March 17, 2013, 12:27:43 AM »
Here is an list of more fake silver pandas as of 3/16/13 Anyone who wants to help report these to ebay, feel free to do so.
I think the more reporting, the better the chance of having them removed
( ps..i seem to be the only one using this page...?)
seller patrickh6095
http://www.ebay.com/itm/15-PANDA-COINS-1-TROY-OZ-/130870174826?pt=Bullion_US

seller:republicjc
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-1oz-silver-Chinese-Panda-BU-10-yuan-in-original-sealed-envelope-/181094650904?pt=Bullion_US

seller: elstonbruno11
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHINA-PANDA-2001-10-YUAN-999-1oz-SILVER-BRILLIANT-DOUBLE-SEALED-/310630117255?pt=US_World_Coins


Reported.

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Re: Fake
« Reply #61 on: March 17, 2013, 12:20:06 PM »
Thank you poconopenn!

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Re: Fake
« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2013, 05:56:28 PM »
I have noticed quite a few different sellers from China, that have been selling 2013
 china silver pandas.  Approximatley, 7 or 8 who have listed dozens of these coins, all with free shipping.
 Being a skeptical person, I just can't see how this can be done. The Average selling price
has been somewhere between $29 and $33, most seem to sell around $31.50. After ebay fee and paypal fees
( around 11%..or more) that 31.50 becomes $28. I don't know how much it costs to send a coin from China to USA
 I know what it costs to send from USA to China..By Registered mail it's $18-$19. By Just first class mail it's around $7 -$8
 One seller even  lists shipping by express mail ( express mail from USA to China is $44)
 For the sake of arguement even if it's only $5 that leaves the seller with $23...which is about $6 below spot price.
 Unless you can buy silver pandas in China for $10 under spot price...I just don't see how these can possibly be real.
  Of course the best way to find out is just to buy one...But then you have to deal with the hassle of filing a dispute, pay to ship it back to China etc etc. Here are a couple links to give you an idea of some recently completed sales.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hot-2013-Panda-gold-coin-Panda-1-oz-silver-coin-268-/181102586097?pt=UK_Antiques_DecorativeAntiques_Collectables_EH
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Panda-gold-coin-Panda-1-oz-silver-coin-71-/281078803770?pt=UK_Antiques_DecorativeAntiques_Collectables_EH

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Re: Fake
« Reply #63 on: March 18, 2013, 12:52:13 PM »
I reported all 61 completed items, However, eBay had only removed 42 items ended on 3/7. Ebay has not removed 19 items ended on 3/8 and 3/9 yet. Reported again.

The seller “chabeijian130” of these 61 completed items was suspended by eBay.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=chabeijian130&ftab=AllFeedback

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Re: Fake
« Reply #64 on: March 18, 2013, 01:07:39 PM »
Fake 2013 1 oz silver panda from "2012gaojian1668"

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Metalware-/1430/i.html?item=111034411794&_ssn=2012gaojian1668

All six reported.

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Re: Fake
« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2013, 02:44:57 PM »
Even the Apmex sale the fake coin too where we can report?. too many fake coins especially the 1989 panda NY expo.
http://www.apmex.com/Product/75459/1989_New_York_Convention_1_4_oz_Gold_Medal___PF_69_UCAM_NGC.aspx

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Re: Fake
« Reply #66 on: March 18, 2013, 03:12:42 PM »
wow that's quick . Thanks

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Re: Fake
« Reply #67 on: March 18, 2013, 04:34:35 PM »
Wow, Poconopenn is really on top of things!
 I can not prove it, but  if I were to venture a bet...I would say that all these sellers are selling fake 2013 Silver pandas.
 Just for the reasons that I stated earlier. I think what some of them do, is to post an actual picture, of a Real 2013 Silver panda
(with the exception of the last seller)
  but when you purchase it, they will send you a fake one. The majority of people probably could not tell the difference between the two...Again this is just conjecture, but one has to wonder?
 The problem is, that In order for ebay to remove the listing they probably need to see something that would convince them, or unless they get bombarded with counterfeit reports.( The last link has been addressed by Poconopenn, just thought I would put it up there again since he still has several listed)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hot-2013-Panda-gold-coin-Panda-1-oz-silver-coin-268-/171009652007?pt=UK_Antiques_DecorativeAntiques_Collectables_EH
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Panda-gold-coin-Panda-1-oz-silver-coin-81-/281080206727?pt=UK_Antiques_DecorativeAntiques_Collectables_EH
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-999-silver-bullion-coin-Panda-gold-coin-Panda-1-oz-silver-coin-715-/261187150545?pt=US_World_Coins
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Panda-gold-coin-Panda-1-oz-silver-coin-516-/380601388962?pt=UK_Antiques_DecorativeAntiques_Collectables_EH
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WOW-2013-Panda-gold-coin-Panda-1-oz-silver-coin-71-/111034411256?pt=UK_Antiques_DecorativeAntiques_Collectables_EH

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Re: Fake
« Reply #68 on: March 18, 2013, 05:37:00 PM »
Excellent job exposing sellers hawking counterfeits. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

I contact ebay every chance I get when a fake is put on sale. Thanks to everyone.

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Re: Fake
« Reply #69 on: March 18, 2013, 05:40:48 PM »
The key to knowing which Chinese seller's to avoid is to see if they bumped up their positive feedback score selling cheap costume jewelry.

4 of the 5 seller's above follow this routine.  Cheap jewelry or ballcaps / T-shirts are the red flag.

The rash of gold Panda selling cheats (China-based) from 12 months ago on Ebay all did the same thing.  I have a saved seller list of at least 15 of them.

Sell hundreds of $1 to $3 dollar jewelry items.....get an inflated feedback score....then switch over to fake coins....brilliant.
You know, I  had a funny suspicion about that. I did go back through their feedbacks and noticed all the same. The cheap costume jewelry
 Nice deduction! I have also seen this same strategy employed by  some German sellers all selling 1 oz gold. Either 1oz gold pandas, or 1 oz Krugerrands, buffaloes etc.  They sell them for right around spot(or below) and take a couple weeks to ship the item. Then they provide a false tracking number, by the time the buyer finally figures out what's going on the seller has taken their money and ran. Ebay usually gets stuck holding the bag

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Re: Fake
« Reply #70 on: March 21, 2013, 05:10:43 AM »
Item: 251245920813

Hind left foot?

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Re: Fake
« Reply #71 on: March 21, 2013, 09:58:39 AM »
Fake coins don't usually have such high quality photographs taken with cover off, so I thought this serves as a good study of fake.

I'm a variety hound so I biased toward variety explaination whenever I see differences in frosting and mirrored fields, yet I like to think I've learned a few things about fake coin from poconopenn's teachings.  So this is my take on things wrong with this coin:
1.  Lack of details.  The 2002 has an intricate design in the bamboo background.  This coin is crude by comparison.
2.  Bubbles as pointed out by red arrorws in both obverse and reverse

What else gives away this fake?

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Re: Fake
« Reply #72 on: March 21, 2013, 01:20:17 PM »
Fake coins don't usually have such high quality photographs taken with cover off, so I thought this serves as a good study of fake.

I'm a variety hound so I biased toward variety explaination whenever I see differences in frosting and mirrored fields, yet I like to think I've learned a few things about fake coin from poconopenn's teachings.  So this is my take on things wrong with this coin:
1.  Lack of details.  The 2002 has an intricate design in the bamboo background.  This coin is crude by comparison.
2.  Bubbles as pointed out by red arrorws in both obverse and reverse

What else gives away this fake?

Eyes, nose and mouth.

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Re: Fake
« Reply #73 on: March 21, 2013, 01:41:42 PM »
251247777805
From same seller.
This also lacks detail hind Paw. reddish rust look under 2001 date. Detail of date looks light.
Clever photo. Private Bidders only?

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Re: Fake
« Reply #74 on: March 22, 2013, 12:37:10 AM »
Another fake 2002 to add into the mix( although title lists it as 1997) But the coin in the photo
 is fake. You can tell by the packaging
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-CHINA-1-OZ-SILVER-PANDA-10-YUAN-DOUBLE-SEALED-/151008832529?pt=US_World_Coins