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Re: Fake
« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2013, 09:28:06 AM »
It will be interesting to see if any leave feedback.

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Re: Fake
« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2013, 12:25:58 AM »
Ebay did not remove any of those listings. There were total 61 listings completed. IMO, ebay can not remove those listings, since the pictures are not clear enough to identify those coin as fake.

http://www.ebay.com/csc/m.html?item=190808735164&LH_Complete=1&_ssn=chabeijian130&rt=nc


I reported all 61 completed items, However, eBay had only removed 42 items ended on 3/7. Ebay has not removed 19 items ended on 3/8 and 3/9 yet. Reported again.

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Re: Fake
« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2013, 12:47:34 PM »
Large number of 1oz silver Panda sold in 24-hour auction and at price way below silver bullion value.  I think the buyers know precisely what they are getting.  It is the buyers I'm worrying about because I think many of them may turn around and sell these fakes and use chabeijian130 as scapegoat for selling them fakes.

You raise an interesting point. I didn't think about that aspect of it. I was thinking more along the lines of new buyers
 that were easily duped.If indeed that is some buyer's agenda, to try to re-list them at a higher price...it just makes the situation that much uglier.  
 If it wasn't for the packaging, they would be extreamly difficult to spot( as poconopenn mentioned) especially with low quality, blurry photos.  I did find  a similar 2003 panda ( similar to the ones that chebeijian130 sold) But at least this seller is an Honest one, and specifies "silver-plated"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-silver-PLATED-panda-/221200010975?pt=US_World_Coins

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Re: Fake
« Reply #51 on: March 12, 2013, 04:49:20 PM »
Here is a fake 2005 Silver panda. This one is easy to spot because of the packaging.( Seller republicjc)
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-1oz-silver-Chinese-Panda-10-yuan-in-original-sealed-envelope-BU-coin-/181100634940?pt=Bullion_US

Note the rounded corners( upper left hand side of package) Without The packaging, they are much harder to spot
 but in a comparison between a real one, The "A" in Ag & the" .999" are further away from the edge of the rim
 on the fake ones. In fact, the top of the "A" almost touches the rim, on the real ones, but not so with the fake ones

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-China-Silver-Panda-S10Y-NGC-MS70-Rare-Top-Grade-MS70-Coin-/181099661738?pt=US_World_Coins

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Re: Fake
« Reply #52 on: March 12, 2013, 04:55:19 PM »

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Re: Fake
« Reply #53 on: March 13, 2013, 11:54:39 AM »
is anyone familiar with this type of fake gold pandas?This one, seems to utilize the same style of packaging
 that the fake silver pandas come in. ( seller sdstreet2012) seems to have a history of selling fake items?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-1-10-oz-Gold-Chinese-Panda-Sealed-/151008828422?pt=Bullion_US
 

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Re: Fake
« Reply #54 on: March 13, 2013, 03:28:02 PM »
is anyone familiar with this type of fake gold pandas?This one, seems to utilize the same style of packaging
 that the fake silver pandas come in. ( seller sdstreet2012) seems to have a history of selling fake items?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-1-10-oz-Gold-Chinese-Panda-Sealed-/151008828422?pt=Bullion_US
 


Reported. Incorrect reeding and weight

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Re: Fake
« Reply #55 on: March 13, 2013, 04:45:23 PM »
More fake Silver pandas: These are "older" fakes, not quite as close to the real ones as some of the newer fakes.
also, some of the older ones tend to really discolor with white stains( IMO- these are not typical milk spots, but more of an alloy to plastic, reaction  ( seller is Coinstacker)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-1-oz-999-Silver-CHINA-Panda-COIN-10-YUAN-PANDA-FREE-SHIPPING-/230945962358?pt=US_World_Coins

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-1-oz-999-Silver-CHINA-Panda-COIN-10-YUAN-PANDA-FREE-SHIPPING-/230945956667?pt=US_World_Coins

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-1-oz-999-Silver-CHINA-Panda-COIN-10-YUAN-PANDA-FREE-SHIPPING-/330889236374?pt=US_World_Coins

all 3 of these are fake, can tell by the packaging and also the date style used ( for 1997 &1998)

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Re: Fake
« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2013, 07:56:34 PM »
Here is an list of more fake silver pandas as of 3/16/13 Anyone who wants to help report these to ebay, feel free to do so.
I think the more reporting, the better the chance of having them removed
( ps..i seem to be the only one using this page...?)
seller patrickh6095
http://www.ebay.com/itm/15-PANDA-COINS-1-TROY-OZ-/130870174826?pt=Bullion_US

seller:republicjc
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-1oz-silver-Chinese-Panda-BU-10-yuan-in-original-sealed-envelope-/181094650904?pt=Bullion_US

seller: elstonbruno11
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHINA-PANDA-2001-10-YUAN-999-1oz-SILVER-BRILLIANT-DOUBLE-SEALED-/310630117255?pt=US_World_Coins

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Re: Fake
« Reply #57 on: March 16, 2013, 08:16:04 PM »
Can you say what you see with each of them that indicates they're fake? I see:

On the 15 lot the packaging is all wrong and the 2000 is mirrored and kind of funny looking which is extra suspect so I didn't really look at any other years

The 2009 shouldn't be sealed and the Yuan symbol is too high

On the 2001 I can't tell what makes it fake

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Re: Fake
« Reply #58 on: March 16, 2013, 08:43:40 PM »
Can you say what you see with each of them that indicates they're fake? I see:

With the first link seller patrickh6095: There are no denominations on any of the coins
2cd link seller republicjc: not only did the 2009 not come double sealed, but you can tell by the packaging that it is fake.
 Practically all fake pandas use this same style of packaging with the wrong braid(rope) patteren as well as rounded corners.
 3rd link seller elstonbruno11: you have to look closely at the packaging but it is the same as used by the other fakes.
 very rigid vinyl and wrong rope patteren. Also a lot of the older fake silver pandas had a tendency to develop that white staining. It is different from "milk spots" I think it is a chemical reaction between the cheap alloys used and the plastic capsule.
 here is another fake from seller republicjc : same packaging...dead give-away
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-1oz-silver-Chinese-Panda-coin-10-yuan-in-original-sealed-envelope-BU-/181102672526?pt=Bullion_US

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Re: Fake
« Reply #59 on: March 17, 2013, 12:27:07 AM »
More fake Silver pandas: These are "older" fakes, not quite as close to the real ones as some of the newer fakes.
also, some of the older ones tend to really discolor with white stains( IMO- these are not typical milk spots, but more of an alloy to plastic, reaction  ( seller is Coinstacker)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-1-oz-999-Silver-CHINA-Panda-COIN-10-YUAN-PANDA-FREE-SHIPPING-/230945962358?pt=US_World_Coins

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-1-oz-999-Silver-CHINA-Panda-COIN-10-YUAN-PANDA-FREE-SHIPPING-/230945956667?pt=US_World_Coins

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-1-oz-999-Silver-CHINA-Panda-COIN-10-YUAN-PANDA-FREE-SHIPPING-/330889236374?pt=US_World_Coins

all 3 of these are fake, can tell by the packaging and also the date style used ( for 1997 &1998)


These three fake coins were removed.