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PCGS Recognizes 1994 Silver Proof Unicorn Varieties
« on: July 11, 2012, 08:02:43 PM »
Everyone should know this was a team effort.

Thanks to me for intial identification, Thanks to Tamo42 for identifying the Low P (Tamo42 was also instrumental in loading the info into the CC and coming up with those great pics!!!), and thanks to Peter for getting the attention of PCGS.  You should also know that NGC turned down my request for classification based upon the differences not being significant enought.  After striking out with NGC I turned to PCGS.  With Peter's assistance we were able to get the coins classified as such.

This was truly a team effort and thanks to everyone.  Without this forum, this probably would not have happened.

Enjoy the pics:

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Re: PCGS Recognizes 1994 Silver Proof Unicorn Varieties
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2012, 08:04:32 PM »
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Re: PCGS Recognizes 1994 Silver Proof Unicorn Varieties
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2012, 08:06:06 PM »
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Re: PCGS Recognizes 1994 Silver Proof Unicorn Varieties
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2012, 01:42:39 AM »
Can't see much different between High P and Low P, but Far P is obvious.

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Re: PCGS Recognizes 1994 Silver Proof Unicorn Varieties
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2012, 10:32:22 PM »
When I measured them, I got the following:

Low: 1mm above left flower bud, slight variance in goatee

High: 1.8-2mm above left bud.  Small, but obvious in front of you.

Thanks for sending them in!

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Re: PCGS Recognizes 1994 Silver Proof Unicorn Varieties
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2012, 10:56:39 PM »
I used to have high P and far P but as I've gotten older I find I now just have low P  :001_smile:

Sorry couldn't resist

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Re: PCGS Recognizes 1994 Silver Proof Unicorn Varieties
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2012, 11:06:31 PM »
 :lol:

1mm Low P

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Re: PCGS Recognizes 1994 Silver Proof Unicorn Varieties
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2012, 11:13:25 PM »

 :laugh:

Pictures of Far_P vs Low_P and High_P vs Low_P.

Now the question is what is the rarity of each type?

Stay tuned...

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Re: PCGS Recognizes 1994 Silver Proof Unicorn Varieties
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2012, 11:39:18 PM »
Woot! Thanks for your efforts in pushing this forward 1668Chris!

It's hard to believe NGC refused to recognize these.

As to relative rarities, the sample size is very small still. You can look them up on the stats section in the coin compendium. In on my phone right now, but I'll post a link tomorrow.

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Re: PCGS Recognizes 1994 Silver Proof Unicorn Varieties
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2012, 11:50:22 PM »
My question, as well.

Haven't seen enough of them.

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Re: PCGS Recognizes 1994 Silver Proof Unicorn Varieties
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2012, 01:16:52 AM »
I didn't have quite as many proof unicorns as I'd thought, but the population is now doubled to 84.  Here are the breakdown:

High P: 57% (48)
Low P: 19% (16)
Far P: 24% (20)

Wow, that was fun.  I call it a night.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2012, 01:19:13 AM by SANDAC »

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Re: PCGS Recognizes 1994 Silver Proof Unicorn Varieties
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2013, 05:30:08 AM »

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Re: PCGS Recognizes 1994 Silver Proof Unicorn Varieties
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2013, 08:45:21 AM »
I decided to do some additional research last night regarding the differences in the 1994 proof unicorns since Peter's identification of the rotation on the BU variety.  I  noticed some anomolies btw the pics on page 219 and the coins posted here. 

The first point is that the "far P" variety exhibits a rotated P in some cases.  The PCGS pic in this thread is an excellent example of the rotated P.

Secondly, I compared several Low P examples side by side.  I have one that exhibits the rotated or crooked 10 vs. others.  This is exactly the same rotation in the BU example.  The Low P is probably the hardest to find, but out of the 5 examples I have only one is crooked.  I will try and post a pic later today or at least the NGC number so you can take a look.

The 1994 proof is turning out to be very interesting given the myriad of varieties.  lnteresting, when I discussed this issue of recognizing varieties with NGC some time ago, I had a lengthy discussion with one of their senior graders ( I forgot his name).  He mentioned that is was not uncommon to add the "P" to the die later, which is why there could be several different variations.  I know nothing about die production and whether or not this true or whether or not I misunderstood his comment. Maybe someone else has experience with this.

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Re: PCGS Recognizes 1994 Silver Proof Unicorn Varieties
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2013, 04:11:13 AM »
Here are some examples:

Non-rotated low P -  http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=3690213-002

Rotated low P similar to BU version - http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=3540555-002

The difference is subtle but very interesting.

Also  here are differences in the P rotation on the Far P:

Regular version - http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=2770605-015

Rotated P version:  http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=3547409-026

The regular version also has a sagging 1994 date versus the rotated P.