The only way to solve this is to be patient and let NGC have their say. If anyone knows, it is the graders. Their reputation and livelihood depends on accuracy. Poconopen is one of the most knowlegeable people on this forum. No argument there. However, maybe new equipment is available to test coins for metal content. Have emailed many more sellers and this is the conclusion. Buyers have been snapping up the pagodas and goldfish the last month or two. There is not much supply as even singles (not sets) are not available. Badon are you the secret buyer that is buying up the remaining supply? You are always a step ahead in this market. The pagoda set of 68 and 69 I traded for may seem like a bargain in another 2 months. Basically, wait for NGC and there is no supply of pagodas or goldfish for sale........................