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Re: What are your future plans re (1984) goldfish medals?
« Reply #60 on: July 08, 2012, 06:06:39 AM »
I am still on the fence about a set of plated 84 goldfish...

Fellow collectors, what has been the lowest price you have seen for the plated 84 goldfish (ungraded double sealed)?

what are the graded plated fish going for these days?

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Re: What are your future plans re (1984) goldfish medals?
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2012, 06:15:19 AM »
$25 in China was the lowest I have seen in the last couple of months.

Here is an auction that will end in 2 days:
http://www.zhaoonline.com/qitaqianbi/1565603.shtml

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Re: What are your future plans re (1984) goldfish medals?
« Reply #62 on: July 08, 2012, 08:31:19 AM »
Thanks for your info Gilmore!

Do we know if the plated silver 84 goldfish have COAs and/or box?



future thanks.

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Re: What are your future plans re (1984) goldfish medals?
« Reply #63 on: July 08, 2012, 04:25:52 PM »
I really like the Pagoda design. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a coin set with as much mirrored surfaces as those Pagodas. Anyone who has photographed alot of coins will notice this immediately with the Pagodas. In that sense, the Pagoda set is somewhat of a 'category killer' withn loads of mirrored real eastate.

So when you think about what other MCCs Panda collectors might gravitate to after Pandas, these "Mirrorlike Finish" Pagodas have that mirror finish that is oh so expensive in the 2000 Panda series-and sells for a premium. OK, perhaps its a long shot. But I like the historical aspect of the temples also. The other feature is that they apparently werent popular when they were offered, that will surely bring out the curiousity-seekers.



It is known that mirror surface always has "stress caused hairlines" near the rim due to the pressure during the production for genuine silver coins, while silver plated coin does not has those special hairlines. A nice mirror surface without stress caused hairlines in combination with other desgin differences is a clear clue to be concerned if the coin is questionable or not.

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Re: What are your future plans re (1984) goldfish medals?
« Reply #64 on: July 08, 2012, 11:27:14 PM »
I contacted many sellers/dealers on pagodas or goldfish availability.   Two said do not buy. About 6 sellers sold out.  About 2 others had parties buy them out recently.  (there are a couple of PF 69 and one PF 67 pagodas on ebay but not cheap) Buyers are taking them off the market now so the glut of pagodas and goldfish may be over.  logicpapa has a set in NGC so his upcoming ebay auction will answer some questions if another set is not put up first..................   

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Re: What are your future plans re (1984) goldfish medals?
« Reply #65 on: July 09, 2012, 01:30:15 AM »
I really do not understand all this fuss about goldfish and pagoda sets being non-desirable. If they are truly so, neither topstock or I should have any problem getting these quickly after we posted "want to buy", but unfortunately, no offers so far. Does that say something ?!

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Re: What are your future plans re (1984) goldfish medals?
« Reply #66 on: July 09, 2012, 02:56:09 AM »
I just purchased Mr. Ge's 2011 price guide.  In the medals section there is NO mention or photos of the 84 goldfish.

There ARE photos of the 1990 goldfish.

What does Mr. Ge know that we don't??


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Re: What are your future plans re (1984) goldfish medals?
« Reply #67 on: July 09, 2012, 03:08:37 AM »
It might have just been an omission. As a guess, there are probably dozens or hundreds of other coins that are not in Gee Zukang's books. That will give him something to work on for future editions.

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Re: What are your future plans re (1984) goldfish medals?
« Reply #68 on: July 09, 2012, 03:18:10 AM »
I just purchased Mr. Ge's 2011 price guide.  In the medals section there is NO mention or photos of the 84 goldfish.

There ARE photos of the 1990 goldfish.

What does Mr. Ge know that we don't??


Good question, Goldpig ! ( by the way, LOVE that name!)

And also, please listen to Poconopenn... He has been right on all along.

Take 16x loops and LOOK closely before you buy-  if there are NO flowlines/ stresslines, that medal just might be plated.
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Re: What are your future plans re (1984) goldfish medals?
« Reply #69 on: July 09, 2012, 04:31:16 AM »
I just purchased Mr. Ge's 2011 price guide.  In the medals section there is NO mention or photos of the 84 goldfish.

There ARE photos of the 1990 goldfish.

What does Mr. Ge know that we don't??
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Re: What are your future plans re (1984) goldfish medals?
« Reply #70 on: July 09, 2012, 04:37:34 AM »
There is an old expression in investing:

"Look around the table: if you don't know who the SUCKER is, it is YOU! "

Meaning : be wary... If something smells fishy, trust your intuition... There's lots of time later

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Re: What are your future plans re (1984) goldfish medals?
« Reply #71 on: July 09, 2012, 09:02:21 AM »
The only way to solve this is to be patient and let NGC have their say.  If anyone knows, it is the graders.  Their reputation and livelihood depends on accuracy.  Poconopen is one of the most knowlegeable people on this forum.  No argument there.  However, maybe new equipment is available to test coins for metal content.  Have emailed many more sellers and this is the conclusion.  Buyers have been snapping up the pagodas and goldfish the last month or two.  There is not much supply as even singles (not sets) are not available.  Badon are you the secret buyer that is buying up the remaining supply?  You are always a step ahead in this market.  The pagoda set of 68 and 69 I traded for may seem like a bargain in another 2 months.  Basically, wait for NGC and there is no supply of pagodas or goldfish for sale........................

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Re: What are your future plans re (1984) goldfish medals?
« Reply #72 on: July 09, 2012, 09:50:43 AM »
There is an old expression in investing:

"Look around the table: if you don't know who the SUCKER is, it is YOU! "

Meaning : be wary... If something smells fishy, trust your intuition... There's lots of time later

Thanks for your reply Underbidder,

I just got my hands on two more books issued by The People's Bank of China and CHina Gold Coin inc.

Guess what?

No 1984 goldfish medals of any kind listed or pictured.

1990 goldfish are both listed and pictured in both books.


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Re: What are your future plans re (1984) goldfish medals?
« Reply #73 on: July 09, 2012, 04:24:53 PM »
Found set of pagoda and goldfish PF 69.  PM me, all the info I have at this time.......

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Re: What are your future plans re (1984) goldfish medals?
« Reply #74 on: July 09, 2012, 06:04:45 PM »
I just purchased Mr. Ge's 2011 price guide.  In the medals section there is NO mention or photos of the 84 goldfish.

There ARE photos of the 1990 goldfish.

What does Mr. Ge know that we don't??



Mr. Huang Ruiyong does not include 1984 goldfish silver medal in his medal ranking list either.