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Re: Post your newest older Chinese coin
« Reply #60 on: November 15, 2012, 02:15:57 PM »
You got a good catch as well, this is a genuine Shandong Yuan Shi Kai dollar (山东大扣版), in very nice condition.
For comparison: http://cdn.shuoqian.net/bigimg/5f/5fd7a9bf6074312b84b30761b8cee948.jpg
I like the toning of your coin. Would you be OK if I used pictures of your coin for my blog? I think if you took higher resolution shots it would look gorgeous.

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Re: Post your newest older Chinese coin
« Reply #61 on: November 16, 2012, 10:14:23 AM »
You got a good catch as well, this is a genuine Shandong Yuan Shi Kai dollar (山东大扣版), in very nice condition.
For comparison: http://cdn.shuoqian.net/bigimg/5f/5fd7a9bf6074312b84b30761b8cee948.jpg
I like the toning of your coin. Would you be OK if I used pictures of your coin for my blog? I think if you took higher resolution shots it would look gorgeous.
No problem. You can use my pictures for your blog. For the high resolution, I will take another picture and send to you by Monday. Any idea for the market price range for this coin?

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Re: Post your newest older Chinese coin
« Reply #62 on: November 16, 2012, 10:29:51 AM »
Last year a high grade Shandong YSK dollar sold for ¥28,750 RMB at the Beijing Chengxuan auction. It is more commonly seen in XF condition for about ¥8,000 - 10,000 RMB.
http://www.chengxuan.com/antiques/51131/

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Re: Post your newest older Chinese coin
« Reply #63 on: November 16, 2012, 06:05:25 PM »
Last year a high grade Shandong YSK dollar sold for ¥28,750 RMB at the Beijing Chengxuan auction. It is more commonly seen in XF condition for about ¥8,000 - 10,000 RMB.
http://www.chengxuan.com/antiques/51131/

Thanks for the info. Given there has been a dramatic slow down in the Republic coins market in this year, I guess that the market price for this coin would be about RMB 4,000 to 5,000, which I am quite happy for the acquisition.

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Re: Post your newest older Chinese coin
« Reply #64 on: November 18, 2012, 10:08:35 PM »
This is a higher resolution as discussed.

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Re: Post your newest older Chinese coin
« Reply #65 on: November 20, 2012, 08:57:39 PM »
Hi Dragondollar,

Please take a look at my most recent purchases a 1908 Chihli Dollar and a 1908 Empire Dollar. What do you think of authenticity, grade and value? The Chihli weighs around 27 grams and the Empire one weighs around 26.6 grams. Thanks a million :)
« Last Edit: November 20, 2012, 09:00:55 PM by r3globe »

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Re: Post your newest older Chinese coin
« Reply #66 on: November 21, 2012, 03:22:35 AM »
Happycoins > Thanks a lot for the pictures! This is a beautiful specimen for this variety, especially the toning.

r3globe > Your Peiyang dollar is a very nice 卷3期4, I'd grade it XF-40 due to the rim damage and scratches, but the fact that it is sharply struck and the dragon scales are intact make it more valuable in China. This particular variety do not have a huge markup compared to the regular 1908 Chihli dollar, it should be worth about ¥3,000 RMB. The most expensive variety is the 罗马体 (Roman type), where the 4 has a curved crossbar terminated in a swash, followed closely by the more well known "crosslet 4" which also has the curved crossbar, but terminated in a serif.

For the 1908 dollar, I think higher resolution pictures would be better, even if at a glance it looks OK. It would likely grade VF details.

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Re: Post your newest older Chinese coin
« Reply #67 on: November 21, 2012, 08:50:30 AM »
Here is one of my 罗马体 (Roman type): http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/CertResults.aspx?CertNumber=2775084-001

And a 卷3期4: http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/CertResults.aspx?CertNumber=2775084-002

You can see the number "4" is different.

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Re: Post your newest older Chinese coin
« Reply #68 on: November 21, 2012, 09:59:38 AM »
Dragondollar, It is always so kind of you to take the time to answer questions :) So, thanks a lot. I looked at your slabbed 卷3期4 and the 4 looks different than mine! Are there different 卷3期4 ? WHat am I missing?

As far as the 1908 Empire, I will try to provide higher resolution pics. But, if it is a VF details coin. What is your opinion of value? I could not find as much information about it. My final question, would you recommend slabbing them? THanks again my friend :)

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Re: Post your newest older Chinese coin
« Reply #69 on: November 21, 2012, 11:07:07 AM »
Yes, the 卷3旗4 (which means "rounded 3, flagpole 4") variety has different specimen. The most rare and famous in that group is named "crosslet 4" in English (Yeoman 73.4). Yours is a more common version in that same group. I would advise you to get it graded, since it is an interesting coin, but it will most likely be labelled as Y-73.2 instead of Y-73.4.

As for the 1908 imperial dollar, I think in that condition it should only be worth about ¥2000 RMB. I'm not sure it is interesting to get it graded.

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Re: Post your newest older Chinese coin
« Reply #70 on: November 21, 2012, 11:08:50 AM »
I just seen I mispelled 卷3旗4 in quite a few posts above... :ohmy:

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Re: Post your newest older Chinese coin
« Reply #71 on: November 21, 2012, 11:10:18 AM »
Hi Dragondollar,

Please take a look at my most recent purchases a 1908 Chihli Dollar and a 1908 Empire Dollar. What do you think of authenticity, grade and value? The Chihli weighs around 27 grams and the Empire one weighs around 26.6 grams. Thanks a million :)



For the 1908 dollar, I think higher resolution pictures would be better, even if at a glance it looks OK. It would likely grade VF details.

KONDi:

When I have TIME (lol) I intend to work up the varieties we currently recognize so we can compare.....

I don't want to start with 1914 though!  Too many - last count we recognize about 40 different ones.

I'll try to start with 1921.  Either way, it will be interesting....

Wow, 40 varieties for 1914 China silver dollar!  Now I'm curious.  I'm posting a photo of a 1908 Y-14 dollar that I bought about 3 years ago (this is the photo I originally saved from the merchant.  I could take another photo if this doesn't provide enough detail).  First, I wonder if there are there obvious varieties for this type, and if this is an unusual variety?  Second, since this one is slabbed (presumably authentic?!), it may be a useful comparison for the coin of the same type for which r3globe is trying to determine authenticity.

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Re: Post your newest older Chinese coin
« Reply #72 on: November 21, 2012, 11:33:21 AM »
Birdman, Wow, that is one beautiful specimen! Congratulations on such a beautiful coin :)

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Re: Post your newest older Chinese coin
« Reply #73 on: November 21, 2012, 12:00:02 PM »
This is my 1914 that I posted just when I joined this forum a year and half ago.  We've enough pictures here to find a variety or two.

http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=3329.msg14866#msg14866

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Re: Post your newest older Chinese coin
« Reply #74 on: November 21, 2012, 12:10:44 PM »
I have three Y73.2.  One of them is posted here, it doesn't look like 卷3旗4
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=3349.msg14991#msg14991

The 2nd one is here, it also doesn't look like 卷3旗4
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=3329.msg14864#msg14864

The last one is attached.  It does look like 卷3旗4