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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 03:44:54 PM » |
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Are they two varieties?! Does anyone else notice the difference with their 2010 silver pandas?
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2010, 04:22:58 PM » |
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Here comes the large and small dates again! And the frosty and non-frosty bamboo background. With 250,000 or less, the pandas are already being produced at 2 different mints. Now with 800,000, it is not surprising but why can't they standardize the mould.  But maybe that would take the fun out of collecting pandas |
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2010, 08:09:05 PM » |
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Totally agree with you snowball  - Thanks Carpet looks also different to me Now, who finds the 3rd mint  greetz anwir |
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2010, 11:37:41 PM » |
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Hi Anwir, Tried to PM you but your mail box is full!  |
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poconopenn
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2010, 11:02:55 AM » |
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My understanding of the definition of variety has to involve in the change of die design of the coin. Based on the pictures, the basic design does not change, but the surface treatment apparently differs from each other. The surface differences are too great to be caused by the timing of the production; the earlier stroke coins have a better surface (proof-like) and details then the later stroke coins. If we expend the definition of variety, inculding the surface treatment of the die, then we have two varieties of 2010 1 oz silver panda. saso12, The capsule of Shenzhen Mint has three hitches inside to keep the coin in place. There are not part of the coin. The panda coins of Shenyang and Shenzhen Mints between 2001 and 2009 are identical in design. The very slight difference in surface are caused by the timing of production. Please also note that the pictures of the coin may show some difference when the lighting and direction changes in taking the pictures. Please see the example give in the following topic in this forum. http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=381.0 |
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2010, 05:56:44 PM » |
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@poconopenn: I basically agree with you, but with 2010 I do not think that it is only the surface treatment. The date differs in size even not that clearly as earlier years, the character of "1" looks different and the carpet is different, so to me it's 2 different dies used. I added a smaller photo which hopefully makes it easier to see. Picture was taken with both coins lying side by side, so the angle is the same. Still differences are not a significant as, e.g. "small twig" vs. "large twig" but the coin design has clear marks which enable you to tell the origin of the coin. I will have to see more examples form both types be sure about this but for the time being I would rather say that we have two types of 2010. @chinesecoinworks: Cleared my postbox  4 PM is very little, in the German board I have around 3,000 PMs stored and am still at 60 % Sent you an PM with my email - no restrictions there greetz anwir |
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2010, 02:27:20 AM » |
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@poconopenn:
I know this 3 hitces are not part of coin :).
I take pictures from differend angles and also check with magnitification glas, check on ebay, check on several coins I have several times, befor I posted in this topic.
I also consieder other tip when dies are differend, so this 2003 Panda issue, I consieder as 2 typs. Find two with differend sealing and check to see on your own.....
But numismatic is funny think and everybody has own way of collecting :)
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2010, 06:27:12 PM » |
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There are actually four different versions so far. The differences are more than just the surface treatment or letter size shown on the coins of the ShenYang Mint from the ShenZhen Mint. There are true differences in designs.
Take a closer look on this area:
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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2010, 06:31:14 PM » |
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2010, 06:31:52 PM » |
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2010, 06:32:34 PM » |
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2010, 08:06:41 AM » |
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The additional two versions mentioned above may be fake 2010. We need whole pictures of the coin to confirm if they are different versions. Picture of fake 2010 is attached for future reference. The differences in the eyes and mouth are quite obvious, in addition to the details of the fur.
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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2010, 07:41:20 PM » |
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Yes, the picture of the whole coin is needed to tell if there are really 4 varieties of the 2010. However, the fake coin that you posted does not the 'sharp' fur like the zoom-in pics. The fur on the right hind leg of the fake coin is perfectly round.
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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2010, 08:32:40 PM » |
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Besides of the lack of the details, the postion of 10 Yuan may be the easiest way to spot this fake coin.
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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2010, 06:25:04 PM » |
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whole pictures
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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2010, 06:26:37 PM » |
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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2010, 06:27:11 PM » |
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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2010, 06:27:59 PM » |
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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2010, 06:41:54 PM » |
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Believe it or not, I also have the fifth version now probably from the Shanghai Mint - to be confirmed.
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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2010, 06:47:36 PM » |
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I have noticed the fake one identified by poconopenn. It had been selling on Ebay, originated from HongKong.
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« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2010, 09:59:23 AM » |
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Does anyone know where I can buy one of the FAKE 2010 10 Yuan "silver" Pandas?
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« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2010, 06:10:32 PM » |
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good call poconopenn....I did not pay attention on that   Which is the fake? with or without the space? any other ways to easily identify the fakes? |
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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2010, 07:46:34 PM » |
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There is no space on the 2010 kilo panda that I just bought from Pandaamerica. Should there be? Pandaamerica has always been the official importer of pandas in the US. Could its stock be phony?
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« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2010, 10:25:12 PM » |
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No space is the genuine coin. I have a couple of NGC graded 2010s and they have no space.
PandaAmerica is one of only two official importers for the Chinese Mint in the USA. Its new coins come directly from the Chinese Mint. I've met the folks there many times and I think there's a better chance of being hit by a meteorite than getting a bad coin from them.
I saw the silver kilo coin at the Long Beach Show – it's a real beauty.
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« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2010, 11:57:39 AM » |
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PandaAmerica is one of only two official importers for the Chinese Mint in the USA. Its new coins come directly from the Chinese Mint.
Who's the other importer? |
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« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2010, 04:26:18 AM » |
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Who's the other importer?
I don't know their name. I'm told they are in Minnesota and coins are not their primary business. Does anyone have more information? |
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« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2010, 10:26:54 PM » |
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Because Government Mint is in Minnesota I've considered them as a possible prime importer but it seems that coins is their primary business. This doesn't tally with my clue that the company isn't really a coin company. I don't have an answer for who it is, however.
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elaine 1970
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« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2010, 09:05:43 PM » |
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is there any mint mark for chinese silver panda. you guys mentioned Sheng Yang and
zheng zhen. where can i locate the mint mark?.
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elaine 1970
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« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2010, 10:23:48 PM » |
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how many percent you think the chinese bought the chinese silver panda?. i think mostly were bought by american. right?. please reply. thanks.
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elaine 1970
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« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2010, 07:39:45 AM » |
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i like the frosted silver panda.
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elaine 1970
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« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2010, 10:34:16 PM » |
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plan to buy 120 to 600 pieces of 2010 chinese silver panda one ounce coins. shenzhen mint and frosted proof like. any comment?. am i doing it right?.
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« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2010, 01:29:32 AM » |
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Elaine, What is your purpose in buying so many 2010 silver Pandas? If it is to buy 100-600 oz of silver, the Pandas will accomplish that and you can enjoy their beauty, too. Because of the large mintage, though, I am uncertain about their potential for numismatic appreciation relative to earlier dates. Would anyone care to comment on the numismatic potential of this year's coins? Best wishes, Peter Anthony www.pandacollector.com |
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elaine 1970
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« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2010, 01:34:50 AM » |
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prices for chinese silver one ounce twin pandas from ampex u.s.a.
2010 - $26.69
2009 - $42.99
2009 - $44.99 - 30th anniversary
2008 - $49.99
2007 - $39.99
2006 - $39.99
2005 - $39.99
2004 - $49.99
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« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2010, 02:42:37 PM » |
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i finally ordered some 2010 chinese silver panda in sheet of 30. eagerly waiting to receive them. and hopefully it will be perfect.
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« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2010, 09:25:13 AM » |
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More than 1/4 of 2010 1 oz silver pandas are being graded MS70. Out of 5382 total coins graded, 1447 received a grade of MS70, 3909 received a grade of MS69, and only 26 were graded MS68 or less. So, if you bought 30 coins, you should have 8 or 9 of them that will grade MS70, and 21 or 22 of them that will grade MS69.
Coins with a "low" grade of only MS68 or lower are so rare, you would have to buy at least 200 to 300 coins before you would find one that wasn't MS69 or better. So, I think you will receive some very nice coins, with many of them being totally perfect.
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« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2010, 10:00:19 PM » |
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I think these grades are a tribute to improvements in quality control by the Chinese Mint. The relatively new Shanghai Mint is a work of architectural art and I'm sure the equipment at the other facilities has been modernized, too. Best wishes, Peter Anthony http://www.pandacollector.com/ |
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« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2010, 09:52:58 AM » |
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chinese silver panda one ounce:
1989 -- $55.00
1990 -- $65.00
1991 - $145.00
1992 - $149.00
1993 - $135.00
1994 -- $79.00
1995 -- $45.00
1996 -- $50.00
1997 -- $46.50
1998 -- $87.50
1999 - $149.00
2000 - $175.00
2001 -- $47.50
2002 -- $50.00
2003 -- $57.50
2004 -- $45.00
2005 -- $45.00
2006 -- $50.00
2007 -- $46.50
2008 -- $47.50
2009 -- $32.50
2009 -- $39.00 - 30th annv.
2010 -- $30.15
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