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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #165 on: December 07, 2011, 09:00:45 PM »
But ask SANDAC... how many WHFS vs. CHFS does he have?`

You are right, I don't own a single WHFS.  It is a complete different topic, just like the famous rock&roll singers of 20th century would be.  However, I don't have problem with the way CC is organized in term of WHFS and CHFS.

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #166 on: December 08, 2011, 02:50:01 PM »
DiggingNorway: I've noticed your screenshots are cropped and do not show the full webpage.

This is very easy to use, and free, but also does not capture scrolling windows:

http://getgreenshot.org/

This is more complicated to use, and not free, but it's advertised as the "best" and I haven't found anything better. It captures scrolling windows:

http://www.faststone.org/FSCaptureDetail.htm

This screenshot for CCS2 was done with FastStone Capture:

http://www.CC/wiki/index.php/File:2011-11-02_165547.jpg

As you can see, it has complete data.

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #167 on: December 08, 2011, 02:55:23 PM »
thx for the tip, i will look into it over x-mas :)

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #168 on: December 09, 2011, 03:38:38 PM »
SANDAC, I think I may have found a die crack on one of your coins. I annotated the location for you, take a look:

http://www.CC/wiki/index.php/File:1323315378-904.jpg

If it is a die crack, it'll be the first one I've ever seen on a modern Chinese coin. I think it's more likely that it's some sort of die scratch, but the photo isn't detailed enough to know for sure. Either way, we now have a way to identify the particular die used for that coin.

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #169 on: December 09, 2011, 04:34:47 PM »
Interesting, I look at the coin in question.  Yes, the line is on the coin, and no, it is not a scratch, the line is raised, so it is possibly due to a scratch on the die (or die crack).  There are another shorter raised line next to it ase well.  The die crack I'm familiar with are much longer, but I suppose the die had to start cracking somewhere.  Good eyes!

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #170 on: December 09, 2011, 04:37:29 PM »
Well, hey, with that previous posting (my 200th), I'm now a Full Member!  I wonder what it takes to be the Hero Member?

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #171 on: December 09, 2011, 04:43:07 PM »
Interesting, I look at the coin in question.  Yes, the line is on the coin, and no, it is not a scratch, the line is raised, so it is possibly due to a scratch on the die (or die crack).  There are another shorter raised line next to it ase well.  The die crack I'm familiar with are much longer, but I suppose the die had to start cracking somewhere.  Good eyes!

With more thought, I think it is probably a scratch. With your excellent photos, we can start keeping track of dies easily.

You know, I just realized that if people upload their coins to the CC, an expert can look at them and tell the owner if he has a valuable variety, just from when the expert is sorting things for his own research.

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #172 on: December 09, 2011, 05:01:59 PM »
You know, I just realized that if people upload their coins to the CC, an expert can look at them and tell the owner if he has a valuable variety, just from when the expert is sorting things for his own research.
Yes.  Each person has a different area of interests.  For the HF, I only pay attention to the slab front side.  There could be variation on the backside, but I wouldn't know because I've barely paid any attention to the back side.   I uploaded them nevertheless for archival purpose.  They may be useful to others later, who know.

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #173 on: December 09, 2011, 05:02:43 PM »
SANDAC, your before and after images of NCS conserved specimens are very helpful, but I don't see that you have marked any of them as NCS conserved. Someone searching for the differences would be greatly helped in looking at your coins, but they wouldn't be able to find them unless they're marked as NCS conserved.

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #174 on: December 09, 2011, 05:08:35 PM »
Well, I just find another variety of 1987 Li Chun:

http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=4585.msg25367#msg25367

In the previous discussion I talked about "puffy sleeve", "tight sleeve" and "vanishing base".  Here is a variety where sleeve is merged with the body.  That would be "no sleeve", I suppose.


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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #175 on: December 09, 2011, 05:10:20 PM »
Great job! Does it have a CCT number yet?

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #176 on: December 09, 2011, 05:14:44 PM »
phew..... what were those guys smoking?

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #177 on: December 09, 2011, 05:18:00 PM »
I see other interesting areas on this coin. Once it's on the CC, let me know, and I'll go annotate it for you.

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #178 on: December 09, 2011, 05:27:16 PM »
It is CCT637.
Look at it again, I guess I would characterize it as puffy sleeve with frosting variation.  Just that the frosting variation (error?) is so significant that it alters the look of the coin.

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Re: Varieties of silver Historical Figures, 1984 to 1993
« Reply #179 on: December 09, 2011, 05:31:30 PM »
OK, you found one of the things I was going to annotate, but I annotated an area of the bridge that has been polished away.