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Offline PandaOrLunar

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how it got grade 69
« on: November 19, 2011, 08:20:20 AM »
How can something look like this got a 69?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330641754672

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Re: how it got grade 69
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2011, 09:19:37 AM »
I feel you but if one doesnt have a coin in person its really hard to tell if the scratches are on the plastic slab or on the coin then you have the lighting issue which will compound the problem to determine if the coin truly deserve the 69 designation.  If I was going to buy it I was ask for better pics and if he or she refuses I wouldnt buy it.  
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Re: how it got grade 69
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2011, 03:38:48 PM »
All of the scratches the scratches appear to be on the plastic to me. The sparkly texture of the coin is a natural "cartwheel" effect that occurs when pressure on crystals in the metal stretch out toward the edges when struck by the die. There is one feature that may be a serious scratch. It's the one on the far right wrestler's right foot that extends from his foot to the edge of the coin. That looks like it is on the coin, and it looks like a scratch to me.

It's hard to tell from photos what the nature of that feature is, but if it is in fact a scratch as serious as the photo makes it appear, then I would consider the coin to be overgraded, and covered under NGC's guarantee.

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Re: how it got grade 69
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2011, 08:28:39 PM »
Is it possibly a die polish line?

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Re: how it got grade 69
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2011, 09:22:34 PM »
Maybe, but it doesn't look like die polish to me. In any case, here's the photos from NGC's site:

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/CertResults.aspx?CertNumber=2769330-002

It looks like the scratch might be slightly visible.

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Re: how it got grade 69
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2011, 02:41:05 AM »
If the concern about the grade is in reference to what appears to be hundreds of tiny scratches, it is as Badon has stated, they are caused during minting.  They seem to be more common or at least more visible on Chinese gold coins minted in the early 80's.  They are very noticable under magnification.  My 1982 gold pandas are particularly bad in this regard.

The scratch below the wrestlers foot does look troubling but it could just be something with the picture.