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"7 billion on earth, a huge task before us".
« on: October 17, 2011, 06:01:54 PM »
Here's something to think about, in the next 20 years we could add another 2 Billion people if not more world wide. From 1999 to 2011 we added 1 Billion people. At this rate 10 Billion people is not far from us.
You can make your own conclusions alla Jim Rogers.

Here's an interesting CNN article on that:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/17/opinion/sachs-global-population/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

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Re: "7 billion on earth, a huge task before us".
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2011, 10:18:14 PM »
Overpopulation is the most significant problem facing the human species today. For those with any interest, the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (www.vhemt.org) is worth a look. For you treehuggers out there, don't despair too much: what we are currently witnessing is a mass extinction event evolving before our very eyes--humans are in a sad way merely a giant biological meteorite. In the big scheme of things and over geological time scales, the only real threat is our own merciful extinction. Life, once established, is absolutely and singularly relentless. Fifty-thousand years after we are gone, the planet will appear as if we never existed. It will be healthy and vibrant with explosions of new species to fill the un-utilized niches.
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2011, 10:41:23 PM »
The best laid schemes of mice and men
 Go often askew,
 And leave us nothing but grief and pain,
 For promised joy! -Robert Burns

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Re: "7 billion on earth, a huge task before us".
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2011, 01:28:35 AM »
There was a time when trilobites where everywhere, thousands of species, literally everywhere. Then, suddenly they were gone, and not just "evolved into something else" kind of gone, but completely ended, with no known descendants whatsoever.

Interestingly, many species have independently evolved to resemble trilobites, after they moved into the empty ecological niche the trilobites left when they all died. If the humans go, I doubt that will be the end of intelligent simian primates.

In fact, humanity is here for a purpose that no other species can serve...

Should humanity fail, through extinction or inaction, nature is already preparing a possible replacement:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tufted_capuchin

As long as humanity doesn't drive them to extinction too, within another 2 million years or so, they could become equivalent to present-day humans, complete with their fair share of Einsteins.

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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2011, 01:37:51 AM »
Will they value my Pandas and Lunars when I'm gone.   I sure hope so.  Somebody get them Peters book!!!!!

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Re: "7 billion on earth, a huge task before us".
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2011, 02:09:12 AM »
Here's something to think about, in the next 20 years we could add another 2 Billion people if not more world wide. From 1999 to 2011 we added 1 Billion people. At this rate 10 Billion people is not far from us.
You can make your own conclusions alla Jim Rogers.

Here's an interesting CNN article on that:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/17/opinion/sachs-global-population/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

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I simply dont see adding another 2 billion people on earth anytime soon.  Just look at whats happening to our food supply via POS Monsato, chemicals everywhere R Us, forced inoculations (thanks UN), and killing of bee colonies which is urgently needed for pollination thus a sustainable food supply.  In the near future, people will just not be able to afford nor have access to nutrient rich food (organic).  Most people will just consume foods with low to no nutrients (thanks Monsato) which will cause them to get sick, slowly but surely and BIG Pharma to get rich (think Obamacare/Death Panels).  

Who knows, maybe one day with peak food/peak oil/peak water comes cannibalism.  I've also seen a youtube video about the notion there's no such thing as over population from a Univ. Professor whose name escapes me and there's also someone who has done the math on overpopulation and said, we could pretty much fit everyone on earth in a area the size of Texas.

These people claim there is no such thing as over population--
 
"Fake Overpopulation = Global Banking Mafia Manufactured Sheeple Depopulation for Profit Scam. Globalists and their eugenic minions misrepresent population statistics in order to justify their agenda to wipe out large portions of the population. Science and statistics both tell us that overpopulation is a myth.

90% of the people in the world currently live on only 3% of the land.

There is enough food for everyone but politics and greed allow people to starve to death.

The facts are the entire population of the world could fit inside of the state of Texas. The world's population in 2010 is 6.9 billion people. The area of Texas is 268,820 square miles or 7.5 trillion square feet. That makes more than 1,000 square feet per person or over 4,000 square feet for a family of four."

These people claim (one of them is Dr Steve Mosher) there is no such thing as over population--Population Research Institute:  

http:///watch?v=vZVOU5bfHrM&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV9GCo5_D8Y

I take CNN along with Main Stream Media with grain of salt.  Basically if everyone was thinking the same thing we're all NOT thinking.  Draw your own conclusions...and keep the comments coming!  


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Re: "7 billion on earth, a huge task before us".
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2011, 03:29:25 AM »
One word-  Soylent Green.

Ok, that's two words.

Rent the movie.

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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2011, 06:30:26 AM »
Malthus got it wrong. The fundamental assumption of these scenarios is that people will not self-regulate their populations. In *every* developed country where technology has triumphed over poor living conditions enabling long life spans, the population growth rate has dropped precipitously. The only reason America still has a positive population growth rate is because of its immigrants. Those that are up to the average American standard of living have the same zero or negative population growth rate.

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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2011, 05:54:33 PM »
Tamo-
Although your point about population growth in economically sound locales is well taken (nothing correlates as well with reproductive proclivity as economic status), I fear you wildly underestimate two strong stimuli to unadulterated reproduction: religion and poverty. The incidence of these pathologies (unfortunately) is going no where but up.

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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2011, 05:59:52 PM »
Ah, but in poor countries the natural die-off rate from disease, malnutrition, accident, etc is much higher. So there are other mechanisms through which the population is regulated.

If food literally became too expensive to buy, then more people would starve, demand would fall, prices would drop, etc. It's a terrible side of reality, but the scenarios of run-away growth doesn't happen readily because of all the death that results.

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Re: "7 billion on earth, a huge task before us".
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2011, 10:09:02 PM »
I think it involves logical contradictions to apply supply-and-demand economics to these TEOTWAWKI scenarios. If all food really was getting prohibitively expensive, our whole concept of society would break-down to the point where monetary (and moral/ethical) system(s) would collapse. We would achieve an every-man-for-himself scenario where brute force would rule above all else. Think Lord of the Flies on steroids. Money as we know it would become worthless. Weapons, women, food, energy, shelter, and possibly addictive substances would become the only viable 'currencies'.

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Re: "7 billion on earth, a huge task before us".
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2011, 10:13:52 PM »
It's about time to give a plug to my favorite survivalist site: www.survivalblog.com

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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2011, 05:22:09 PM »
The fastest way to assemble your own army of zombies at the end of the world is to stockpile cigarettes. Addicts will do anything for a cigarette, including give you all their food. Cigarettes is the #1 way nature reduces the population in America.

Also, in the age of technology, genocide has been the method of choice for governments to get rid of "undesirable" populations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history


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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2011, 12:48:29 AM »
It's about time to give a plug to my favorite survivalist site: www.survivalblog.com

Thanks for the link.  Just read the whole page about fasting and stretching out food. 

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2011, 01:13:44 AM »
1. Before that happen WWIII Is gonna wipe out at least 50% of the population. Earth will not be able to hold life slowly killing off the remaining population.

2. People migrate to space and set up colonies, a few decade later the colonies of space is sick and tired of being taxed and Galaxy World War 1 will take place. Then some dude is gonna invent a giant robot and win the war. (Watch too much Gundam).

3. Food prices rising too fast, people simply refusing to have too many kids just like the developed world where population is getting old and not enough new to come take place. More and more City dwellers doesnt want kids no more, even in Shanghai where more and more women refuses to have kids.

4. Woman as they get more independent and successful will ditch inferior species of men. They will take over the world and enslave all men and sent all of us to do all the physical work, while keeping a selected few for "personal pleasures".