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Offline SilverNut

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #90 on: April 02, 2012, 04:54:08 AM »
Hi all,

I share fellow members' view that half ounces silver pandas are relatively undervalued compared to their 1 ounces peers. Hence, i recently acquired some. For the 1996 pandas, i note that it was only produced by 2 mints. However, my coins seem to indicate 1 more difference other than 'round' and 'pointy' shoulders. Appreciate if fellow members could take a look at the attached photos  and give your views, please. Thanks.







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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #91 on: April 05, 2012, 03:28:28 AM »
The leaves ( on the tree to the left side) are also a bit different on each coin.

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #92 on: April 10, 2012, 04:34:55 PM »
Here's the NGC population numbers as of today (MS68/69/70/total graded):
1993    33/154/8/212
1994    49/117/5/192
1995    10/54/1/71
1995sd 36/31/0/94
1995ld 32/68/1/162
1996    98/187/1/340
1997    68/252/0/333
1998    36/68/0/111
All have incredibly small graded populations if you think about it. 1995sd appears to have lowest MS69 population of the Tao. However there are a total of 327 1995 dated submissions. How many of the 71 total and 54 MS69 1995 unclassifieds are actually small dates? How many of the unclassifieds have already been re-submitted for mint designations? With only 111 total submissions, is 1998 the key date?

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #93 on: April 10, 2012, 04:54:51 PM »
Has anyone heard of a 'Macau' variant of the 1997 S5Y Panda? There was one listed on rarecoincollector.net some time back; they claimed it was a rare variety. It was graded as a PF69 by NGC. I believe it sold for in the neighborhood of $700! I have one also graded by NGC as PF69. See link for pictures:
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/CertResults.aspx?CertNumber=2309224-030
(notice how NGC describes the coin as a 1992 G100Y MS69???)
I have another NGC MS69. See link for pictures:
http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/CertResults.aspx?CertNumber=3141388-045
Honestly, I don't see much difference between the two coins. Also see below link below for previous discussion of this topic:
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=1763.0

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #94 on: April 10, 2012, 05:24:46 PM »
Looks like if one were so inclined, one could acquire a complete S5Y MS69 set (minus the expo coins) for less than $1000 right now on eBay. I think that is a screamin' deal--you just know these are going to be smoking hot at some point. Someone better swoop these up, or I just might...

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #95 on: April 10, 2012, 06:39:52 PM »
Here's the NGC population numbers as of today (MS68/69/70/total graded):
1993    33/154/8/212
1994    49/117/5/192
1995    10/54/1/71
1995sd 36/31/0/94
1995ld 32/68/1/162
1996    98/187/1/340
1997    68/252/0/333
1998    36/68/0/111
All have incredibly small graded populations if you think about it. 1995sd appears to have lowest MS69 population of the Tao. However there are a total of 327 1995 dated submissions. How many of the 71 total and 54 MS69 1995 unclassifieds are actually small dates? How many of the unclassifieds have already been re-submitted for mint designations? With only 111 total submissions, is 1998 the key date?

One thing to consider with presumed key dates.  Once they become the presumed key dates they inevitably end up with more coins graded.  More people chase them and more dealers try to grade them for sale.  Once the market matures and more coins of all years get graded it will be easier to see which is the key.  Obviously because of the obvious date variety of the 1995 it will be a good performer as time goes on.

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #96 on: April 11, 2012, 12:58:39 AM »
Price Guide for PCGS graded 1/2 oz silver panda. There are small and large date versions for 1993 and 1994, according to this Guide.

http://www.pcgs.com/prices/PriceGuideDetail.aspx?MS=1&PR=1&tabs=no&c=3783&title=5+Yuan


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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #97 on: May 09, 2012, 10:29:38 PM »
One month later, lets see what's happened to the population numbers:
1993    33/154/8/212 --> 36/163/11/228
1994    49/117/5/192 --> 52/124/5/203
1995    10/54/1/71   --> 10/54/1/71
1995sd 36/31/0/94    --> 54/38/0/125
1995ld 32/68/1/162   --> 36/82/2/180
1996    98/187/1/340 --> 99/192/1/346
1997    68/252/0/333 --> 74/263/0/352
1998    36/68/0/111  --> 42/76/0/127
Still think 1998 is not the key date?

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #98 on: May 09, 2012, 10:47:19 PM »
Very interesting gasman......

More slabs for collections, and feebay..

Thanks for the post.... :thumbup1:

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #99 on: May 09, 2012, 11:03:47 PM »
One month later, lets see what's happened to the population numbers:
1993    33/154/8/212 --> 36/163/11/228
1994    49/117/5/192 --> 52/124/5/203
1995    10/54/1/71   --> 10/54/1/71
1995sd 36/31/0/94    --> 54/38/0/125
1995ld 32/68/1/162   --> 36/82/2/180
1996    98/187/1/340 --> 99/192/1/346
1997    68/252/0/333 --> 74/263/0/352
1998    36/68/0/111  --> 42/76/0/127
Still think 1998 is not the key date?


Agreed 1998 is the Key date, not because of the Pop report but it simply the hardest to get 1/2 oz out there, whether on Ebay, TaoBao or the shops I visit occassionaly. The ones available are very expensive. I have heard rumors because there is news the actual mintage is just 30000.  

I am having a hard time finding one that available for Sale below USD 200. I just bid one off ebay for around USD 170 including shipping and the seller is from Germany - that may also kept some people away, because of the shipping problems buyers experience with EURO Customs.

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #100 on: May 09, 2012, 11:09:18 PM »
That gives it some new perspective, baby.

Like you, I visit a few sites, and havn't seen any for awhile now, either.

Only been 3 slabbed ones on the block so far this year.

Feb 24, 2012  NGC   MS69   $275.00  EBAY  (US)

Feb 22, 2012  PCGS  MS69   $265.95  EBAY  (U.K.)

Jan 21, 2012  NGC   MS68   $80.00   EBAY  (US)


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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #101 on: May 10, 2012, 06:06:31 AM »
There are 7 sightings on the CC, and one of them was only a little more than a month ago:

CCT420: 1998 1/2 oz silver panda

5 specimens are recorded, including one in a 70 grade. Oh, how I do love 70 grades...

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #102 on: May 10, 2012, 07:28:21 AM »
There are 7 sightings on the CC, and one of them was only a little more than a month ago:

CCT420: 1998 1/2 oz silver panda

5 specimens are recorded, including one in a 70 grade. Oh, how I do love 70 grades...

Badon,

200735673714 is Hong Kong expo 98, not the normal 98 Panda.

190659339995 is a sighting that doesn't seem to be on the CC and could be added.

Currently looking for MS69 1oz Silver Pandas - feel free to PM me.
Also buying 1997 Hong Kong $1000 Gold Coin BOX + COA - please PM thank you.

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #103 on: May 10, 2012, 08:26:35 PM »
Lots of great work there on the CC badon.
I need more practice at it, but the potentials look fantastic!

Kudos to all who've contributed.

It should be around for many years, and for several generations,
of both collectors, and fanatics :thumbup:

Write ups are something major I noticed that was light.
Will those be like wiki's, that others may edit?

Was a little curious about that.

Good job though, badon.
Well done.

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #104 on: May 10, 2012, 10:25:26 PM »
why certainly badon.
what does getting one entail?