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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #151 on: October 15, 2013, 12:53:10 AM »
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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #152 on: October 15, 2013, 01:19:48 AM »
please see the page 3.

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #153 on: October 15, 2013, 01:46:36 AM »
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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #154 on: October 15, 2013, 01:55:07 AM »
Hi NBM,

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #155 on: October 15, 2013, 02:01:58 AM »
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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #156 on: October 15, 2013, 03:05:36 AM »
In 1995 1/2 ounces of panda coins, is a more complex varieties。
There are 4 versions in SD (shenyang)
Also have 4 versions in LD (shanghai)
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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #157 on: October 15, 2013, 03:07:57 AM »
In 1995 1/2 ounces of panda coins, is a more complex varieties。
There are 4 versions in SD (shenyang)
Also have 4 versions in LD (shanghai)
My writing In Baoquan Forum is not perfect, because there will be continuously found. If you want to know more, can give me a message. Very happy to discuss with you。575890703@qq.com



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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #158 on: October 15, 2013, 10:10:00 AM »
I can confirm LD var-B as in 2759267-001 to -010 and 2782594-020.  I can also see LD var-C such as 3162227-089 and 3559116-007.  They are pretty hard to find, but the 1995 S5Y panda population is dominated by large submission, presumably dealers bought sheets of them and submit them en masse.  The rarity maybe biased by a common source for many large dealers.  Var B and C tend to be small size submission.  It is a lot of data to plow through and I'm not even done with ms68, but my feeling is that combined B+C is about 1 in 20.
I completed my search of 283 large date 1995 S5Y.  Of 283 coins searched, there are 38 var-B+var-C, or roughly 1 in 8.  Var-B is harder to find, there are 13 out of 38.  There are 25 var-C out of 38.

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #159 on: October 15, 2013, 10:42:41 AM »
chukuang108,

Welcome to CCF!

I'm very interested in the current opinions in China regarding what is considered a variety.  Leaves-in-front and Leaves-behind-branch should be considered as varieties because the differences can only be achieved at the master die level.  But what about the various frosting variations and mirrored/frosted appearance?  

I attached six pictures below for your consideration.  First three are leaves-behind-branch, first is frosted, 2nd is mirrored, and 3rd is short bamboo.  The last three are leaves-in-front, first is thick fur as discussed by Gilmore, 2nd is V fur as discussed by NumiKat, 3rd is V fur with hole in leaves cluster.

Edit: The fourth picture is incorrectly attributed.  It should be NGC 2759267-004.  My apology

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #160 on: October 15, 2013, 11:45:30 AM »
I'm very glad to meet you here.
I think, first and 2nd,they are the same template,the difference between them lies in the sandblast,one light one heavy.
So I think the same reason of fifth and sixth.
I think it is actually something fundamentally different of third and fourth .

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #161 on: October 15, 2013, 01:14:24 PM »
Another difference of 5 +6 is the leg length. 5 has a longer leg.

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #162 on: October 15, 2013, 02:18:52 PM »
Another difference of 5 +6 is the leg length. 5 has a longer leg.

Thanks for pointing out the difference in the length of the the legs. Rear leg of "3162227-089a_V_leaf hole.jpg" seems longer than all others to me.

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #163 on: October 15, 2013, 07:11:55 PM »
Here is an overlay of #6 on #5. It clearly shows the difference in the length of the legs.

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Re: 1/2 ounce silver pandas 1993 to 1998
« Reply #164 on: October 16, 2013, 03:23:22 PM »
first one are leaves behind tree;





and second one leaves in front of tree;





there are traces of mirrored part on rear leg now covered with sanded/frosted finish,
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