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Offline badon

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Re: Two varieties of 5 Yuan 1992 Cai Wenji Historical Figures?
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2011, 12:43:59 PM »
Is anybody rich bidding on this? I hope not, because it could get expensive if two of us do it :)

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Re: Two varieties of 5 Yuan 1992 Cai Wenji Historical Figures?
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2011, 01:23:18 PM »
Is anybody rich bidding on this? I hope not, because it could get expensive if two of us do it :)
This is against Badon's policy of buying only highly graded coins. Not only it is raw, it's possibly a restrike/fake. Please leave it for us cheap collectors to bid on it :)

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Re: Two varieties of 5 Yuan 1992 Cai Wenji Historical Figures?
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2011, 01:42:25 PM »
dobedo: supported!! badon please leave the riff raff to us rats ;)

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Re: Two varieties of 5 Yuan 1992 Cai Wenji Historical Figures?
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2011, 02:02:54 PM »
I think the theory that it's a restrike is credible. And, as my research with the kublai khan supports, it is also probably much rarer than the originals, in terms of mintage rarity. The originals may be rarer overall, once grade rarity is factored in.

Either way, it's rare. Let's see what price it sells for :)

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Re: Two varieties of 5 Yuan 1992 Cai Wenji Historical Figures?
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2011, 01:42:17 AM »
Oh great, with a guy like badon bandying words like "rare/much rarer" around, us riff raff won't get much of a chance.  I think I'll toss in my bid early just to get my name on the also-ran list.  Whomever got the coin, please post a detailed picture.  Happy hunting!

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Re: Two varieties of 5 Yuan 1992 Cai Wenji Historical Figures?
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2011, 06:16:47 AM »
From this series, 1992 Zheng Chenggong would be a key..? 20K mint (CoA = 50k), the one and only 99.9% 20g Ag, 33mm, standalone (not from a set of 4). Is my source right? Thanks

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Re: Two varieties of 5 Yuan 1992 Cai Wenji Historical Figures?
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2011, 09:39:02 AM »
From this series, 1992 Zheng Chenggong would be a key..? 20K mint (CoA = 50k), the one and only 99.9% 20g Ag, 33mm, standalone (not from a set of 4). Is my source right? Thanks

I have not heard about this coin in the historical figueres series... what is your source?

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Re: Two varieties of 5 Yuan 1992 Cai Wenji Historical Figures?
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2011, 09:53:33 AM »
According to my research Zheng Chenggong is not part of a series. World Coins does not report a mintage. Similar "independent" coins on the same year has a mintage of 7000. Somewhere on this forum,  I found the the actual mintage to be 10,155:

1992 Chinese Outstanding Historical Figures Zheng Chenggong 20g silver coin - 10155  (planned: 20000)

Here is the link:

http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=18.0;wap2

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Re: Two varieties of 5 Yuan 1992 Cai Wenji Historical Figures?
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2011, 10:05:10 AM »
according to my homemade overview in 1992 the series was:
Cai Wenjii, Hua Mulan (this one can get hot), Wang Zhaojun and Xia Zhuo


(se pdf)

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Re: Two varieties of 5 Yuan 1992 Cai Wenji Historical Figures?
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2011, 10:42:25 AM »
here is btw the aggregated population grading for the series...

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Re: Two varieties of 5 Yuan 1992 Cai Wenji Historical Figures?
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2011, 06:51:37 PM »
My source is 'The Picture Catalog of the Commemorative Coin of Precious Metal
of Republic of China’ (The Picture Catalog is made by China Gold Coin Incorporation and published
by Southwestern University of Finance and Economics Press)

The simple edition (book 1991-1995) display 6 coins in the 'Chinese Outstanding Historical Figures
Gold and Silver Commemorative Coins (9th Set)'
1 gold and 5 silver - including the Zheng Chenggong figure.

However, litterally speaking, it may not be a piece of the silver coins series, but instead
a piece of the Outstanding Historical Figures series.

An interesting coin for those who like the theme, I think.
I don't own any from the silver series.

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Re: Two varieties of 5 Yuan 1992 Cai Wenji Historical Figures?
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2011, 06:58:38 PM »
I don't own...unfortunately :)

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Re: Two varieties of 5 Yuan 1992 Cai Wenji Historical Figures?
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2011, 07:59:16 PM »
but do you own the zhen chenggong? con you show us photo? that would be highly intrtrsting!

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Re: Two varieties of 5 Yuan 1992 Cai Wenji Historical Figures?
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2011, 08:27:27 PM »
I don't have picture, but you can see one on ebay. item # 170658275740

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Re: Two varieties of 5 Yuan 1992 Cai Wenji Historical Figures?
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2011, 02:52:36 PM »
This one seems to be a mix of both series:
- 5Yuan + 20g fine silver (999 instead of 900) in favor of the Historical`s
- single CoA made in the style of the Worldwide Famous Men

However, China Mint is listing it with Historical IX - so it`s supposed to belong to this set.