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Return on Investment: The Race to the Top
« on: May 13, 2011, 07:08:39 AM »
I created a new web page with an animated chart. The chart compares returns from various assets over the last 5 years. The assets compared are: Fidelity Overseas Fund (FOSFX), NASDAQ Average, Brazilian Stock Index (BVSP), Crude Oil, Gold, Silver and the Panda 2000 Index. The page can be found at:

http://www.pandacollector.com/roi2.html

Any and all comments and/or suggestions are welcomed. Thanks.

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Peter Anthony
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Re: Return on Investment: The Race to the Top
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2011, 08:08:28 AM »
Good work Peter

As always the starting point may be questionable, I think it would have been interesting to compare with an index or NGC PGCS American coins.

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Re: Return on Investment: The Race to the Top
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2011, 08:31:22 AM »
Peter,

Your work has greatly impacted and will continue to contribute to these price increases in individual coins and the Chinese coin market overall.

Do you plan on publishing this chart elsewhere in addition to you web site?

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Re: Return on Investment: The Race to the Top
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2011, 12:53:40 PM »
Good work Peter

As always the starting point may be questionable, I think it would have been interesting to compare with an index or NGC PGCS American coins.

It wasn't part of my plan to compare the Panda Index directly to American coins. I just thought it would be useful to expose people who are trapped in low-return funds and bank accounts to what is going on outside the mainstream. If there is a lot of demand to add a U.S. coin component I will consider it.

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Peter Anthony
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Re: Return on Investment: The Race to the Top
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2011, 12:58:14 PM »
I don't really care much about American coins. I think the differences in mintage are obvious enough to tell you which coins will perform the best. Also, to add a U.S. coin component, do you choose coins with similar mintages and populations, or what? I think it would be hard to make the comparison in a way that isn't controversial...assuming you could make the comparison at all - there are not many American coins as rare as the "common" Chinese coins.

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Re: Return on Investment: The Race to the Top
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2011, 01:02:32 PM »
Peter,

Your work has greatly impacted and will continue to contribute to these price increases in individual coins and the Chinese coin market overall.

Do you plan on publishing this chart elsewhere in addition to you web site?

Pandamainia

The animated version of the chart is a Flash movie. I'm not sure how many opportunities there are to publish it in other places. Maybe on YouTube, that would work. The final frame that shows all the returns could be spread around. It just needs to have a legend and maybe a caption added. I am all in favor of that; the more the merrier. Wouldn't it make a fun poster for coin shows? Thanks for the question.

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Peter Anthony
http://www.pandacollector.com

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Re: Return on Investment: The Race to the Top
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2011, 01:03:18 PM »
I don't really care much about American coins. I think the differences in mintage are obvious enough to tell you which coins will perform the best. Also, to add a U.S. coin component, do you choose coins with similar mintages and populations, or what? I think it would be hard to make the comparison in a way that isn't controversial...assuming you could make the comparison at all - there are not many American coins as rare as the "common" Chinese coins.

Yes, I'm really not looking for an argument from every American coin dealer I meet. That's a parallel universe.

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Peter Anthony
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Re: Return on Investment: The Race to the Top
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2011, 01:03:46 PM »
You removed one data point from the chart for the coins. I recommend you add that back in...

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Re: Return on Investment: The Race to the Top
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2011, 01:12:00 PM »
Good work, Peter. Now I have an excuse to sell all my Fidelity mutual funds. Except they are all in my retirement accounts, and those were not set up to buy coins :( 

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Re: Return on Investment: The Race to the Top
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2011, 01:14:39 PM »
I have long ago sold everything that's not coins, and I'm glad I did.

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Re: Return on Investment: The Race to the Top
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2011, 01:49:43 PM »
Good work, Peter. Now I have an excuse to sell all my Fidelity mutual funds. Except they are all in my retirement accounts, and those were not set up to buy coins :( 

I frankly doubt that the people who set up the rules for retirement accounts regarded the welfare of the individual account holders as their primary concern or responsibility.

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Re: Return on Investment: The Race to the Top
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2011, 01:51:07 PM »
You removed one data point from the chart for the coins. I recommend you add that back in...

Which one?

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Re: Return on Investment: The Race to the Top
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2011, 02:17:15 PM »
The one at the end that shows a dip in pricing. I was looking at the chart and thinking "Gee, prices for coins never dropped", but they did briefly, and that data point is missing from the final chart.

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Re: Return on Investment: The Race to the Top
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2011, 02:49:47 PM »
Thanks.

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Peter Anthony
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