Author Topic: 1989 3.3 oz silver god of war and wealth varieties discovered by reiboy of CCF  (Read 55490 times)

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Offline PandaOrLunar

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Based on unscientific research using limited roboting of NGC, eBay listings, and other auction sites, here is my number so far

clear:  16 (49% of 2500 = 1212)
clouded:  10 (30% of 2500 = 758)
super clouded:  7 (21% of 2500 = 530)

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Where do you see 7 super clouded? I can find one for sale :-)

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Based on unscientific research using limited roboting of NGC, eBay listings, and other auction sites, here is my number so far

clear:  16 (49% of 2500 = 1212)
clouded:  10 (30% of 2500 = 758)
super clouded:  7 (21% of 2500 = 530)

Excellent work, could you do your calculations for each of the 3 mintage figures of 2000, 2430, and 2500? That would be interesting to see them all in one place.

Let's also not forget that many of these were probably melted. I would not be surprised if info came out that says more than half were melted.

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5 super from NGC:
2757328-007
2763641-003
2763641-006
3449783-008
3452783-008

1 super from my archive of auction sites

1 super from this forum


Total coin researched:  16 + 10 + 7 =  33

clear:  16/33 = 48.48%
* % of 2500 = 1,212.1
* % of 2430 = 1,178.2
* % of 2000 =   969.7

clouded:  10/33 = 30.30%
* % of 2500 = 757.6
* % of 2430 = 736.4
* % of 2000 = 606.1

super clouded:  7/33 = 21.21%
* % of 2500 = 530.3
* % of 2430 = 515.5
* % of 2000 = 424.2

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Great job! That's some excellent numbers you've handed us on a silver platter. Thanks for putting in the work to research that. So, it appears that the most common coin is much rarer than the 2 oz gold dragon & phoenix with a mintage of 2500, that sells for over $20,000. That's a lot of zeros...Did I mention that the god of war & wealth has the dragon & phoenix on it?

I'm looking at these numbers, and I'm certain I haven't bought enough of these coins yet. Hold on to your hats and buckle up, this is going to be a wild ride!

It will be interesting to see how the numbers change as more get graded.

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Can't wait to upload the coin's pictures to this thread even my digital camera is broken. The attached is the scanned pictures of my god of wealth which I just got today, but I am not quite sure which type of variety should be for it.

Is it 2nd or 3 rd variety?

Thanks to this thread and LBC,

Happycoins
 

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Happy Coins, you have a variety 2.  Very nice!  I also received one from an Ebay seller before he started to differentiate.

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This is the clouded claw variety.

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Happy Coins, you have a variety 2.  Very nice!  I also received one from an Ebay seller before he started to differentiate.
This is the clouded claw variety.
Thanks to both of you.

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Total coin researched:  21 clear + 11 clouded + 10 super =  42
* 28 from NGC (Census Total Graded 64:  one graded 66 , four 67, eighteen 68, forty-one 69)
* 14 from raw


clear:  21/42 = 50.0%
* % of 2500 = 1,250
* % of 2430 = 1,215
* % of 2000 = 1,000


clouded:  11/42 = 26.2%
* % of 2500 = 655
* % of 2430 = 636
* % of 2000 = 524


super:  10/42 = 23.8%
* % of 2500 = 595
* % of 2430 = 579
* % of 2000 = 476

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Great work!

It is getting very interesting....the ebay seller I bought from said his sales lot was roughly 50% split between clear and clouded claw, and none super clouded.

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Total coin researched:  21 clear + 11 clouded + 10 super =  42
* 28 from NGC (Census Total Graded 64:  one graded 66 , four 67, eighteen 68, forty-one 69)
* 14 from raw


clear:  21/42 = 50.0%
* % of 2500 = 1,250
* % of 2430 = 1,215
* % of 2000 = 1,000


clouded:  11/42 = 26.2%
* % of 2500 = 655
* % of 2430 = 636
* % of 2000 = 524


super:  10/42 = 23.8%
* % of 2500 = 595
* % of 2430 = 579
* % of 2000 = 476

Great work! It is exciting to see this story unfold. 8 more and the sample size (50) will be statistically significant.

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Dealers are starting to call these type 1, 2, and 3. Let's remind them that we've already picked descriptive names for them: clear claw, clouded claw, and super clouded claw.

The last thing we need is an exciting discovery to get confused because people are using different terminology. The CCF researchers, as the discoverers of these varieties, are entitled to assert the right to name them, but only if we assert the right.

CCF readers and researchers should send messages to any dealers that are using incorrect naming, to remind them that the varieties were discovered here, and we have already named them clear claw, clouded claw, and super clouded claw.

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Dealers are starting to call these type 1, 2, and 3. Let's remind them that we've already picked descriptive names for them: clear claw, clouded claw, and super clouded claw.

The last thing we need is an exciting discovery to get confused because people are using different terminology. The CCF researchers, as the discoverers of these varieties, are entitled to assert the right to name them, but only if we assert the right.

CCF readers and researchers should send messages to any dealers that are using incorrect naming, to remind them that the varieties were discovered here, and we have already named them clear claw, clouded claw, and super clouded claw.

I had earlier emailed these names to ebay/jan_sold_it. Let me send him a reminder.

I called another dealer - rarecoincollector.net and gave them the names and the link to this forum.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2011, 01:51:34 PM by Pandora »

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Thanks for doing that. It looks like they are responding quickly.