Topic: 1989 3.3 oz silver god of war and wealth varieties discovered by reiboy of CCF

[badon]

$5000+

[Pandaguy]

One super clouded 69 showed up for $2500 today on Rarecoincollector. It was sold within minutes.  

Also they added one clouded raw for $1550.

Badon, what do you think the market price should be for these...

That 69 was probably the one that Rarecoincollector screwed me out of. Based on my bad experiences with that company, I will never buy anything from them again. I have previously, in this forum, written about those bad experiences. Maybe Badon can supply the link for newbies to see.

[badon]

This discussion was one of the reasons I decided to make the Coin Compendium, as a tool for researchers to answer basic questions like "which variety is the rarest?". If any of you would like to do some research on these varieties, you can put yourself on the volunteer testers list for the Coin Compendium, here:

http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=4603.0

Once you're invited and given access to the CC, you will be able to enter in the data we have collected here in this discussion. The data will give me something to run tests on for performing calculations and generating results, when adding new features.

Although the CC is officially still in "testing", the basic features are already in place and they work quite well.

You can find the data I have already entered in CCT3: 3 tael silver Chinese Taoist folk gods

[fishball]

Sorry to drag an old thread up but how much are these worth nowadays?

Just bought a clouded claw PF69 for fun, always wanted one so thought what the heck.

[fishball]

Just read it, pretty decent sized range.

I definitely didn't overpay so there's that :)

[badon]

Here is my NGC data.  Hope we can keep it update online.  The last 2 (2764099-012 clear, 2764117-053 clear) are the latest.

PandaOrLunar, do you have a sorted list of certification numbers? I can try entering them all into the Coin Compendium. From there, I can start thinking about adding features to display the data in a pretty way.

[adamc4]

Pricing is all over the place but current fair market values are pretty clear. ~$1350 for a clouded PF69 and ~$750 for a raw clear. If you are after either of those I can sell them privately lower than any publicly advertised price

[badon]

I'm always amazed at how quiet people get when there's a new discovery! Did you check your coins, adamc4?

[fishball]

I'm always amazed at how quiet people get when there's a new discovery! Did you check your coins, adamc4?

Is there a new variety?

[badon]

I don't want to ruin the surprise!

[SANDAC]

This is what I currently have in my spreadsheet on 1989 Zhao Gongming.  It needs additional research in grade, designation, and varieties.

2757328-007   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
2763641-001   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
2763641-002   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
2763641-003   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
2763641-004   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
2763641-005   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
2763641-006   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
2764099-012   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
2764117-053   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104261-011   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104261-012   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104261-013   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104261-014   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104261-015   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-001   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-002   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-003   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-004   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-005   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-006   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-007   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-008   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-009   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-010   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-011   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-012   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-013   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-014   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-015   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-016   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-017   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-018   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-019   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-020   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-021   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-022   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-023   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-024   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-025   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-026   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-027   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-028   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-029   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-030   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-031   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3104265-032   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3449783-007   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3449783-008   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3452783-006   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3452783-007   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3452783-008   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3452783-009   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3452783-010   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3453498-001   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3453498-002   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3453498-003   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3453498-004   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3453498-005   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3453498-006   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3453498-007   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3453499-001   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3453499-002   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3453499-004   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3453499-005   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3453499-006   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3487417-001   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3487417-002   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3539207-094   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3539207-095   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3540575-002   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3540616-031   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3540648-010   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3541012-001   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3541012-002   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3542633-001   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3542633-002   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3542633-003   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3542633-004   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3542643-001   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3542643-002   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3542643-003   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3542643-004   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3545157-004   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3545371-004   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3545371-005   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3545371-006   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3545371-007   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3545371-008   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3545371-009   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3545371-010   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3545669-001   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3545669-002   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3545669-003   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3545669-004   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3546002-027   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3546002-028   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3546002-029   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3546002-030   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3546002-031   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3546002-032   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3546002-033   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3546002-034   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3546002-035   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3546002-036   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3546002-037   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3546002-038   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3546002-039   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3547664-005   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3548084-001   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3548084-002   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3548084-003   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3548084-004   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3548084-005   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3548084-006   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3548084-007   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3552648-007   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3553610-005   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3553617-022   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3555806-004   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING            
3557122-001   (1989) CHINA ZHAO GONGMING         

[badon]

I will add that info to the list of stuff to be entered. It looks like people are still entering stuff in right now.

[badon]

SANDAC, thanks again for that list of certification numbers. All the certification numbers we know about have been entered in, and now we're entering in sightings from ebay. Interesting info already seems to be coming to the surface.

[SANDAC]

My database only represents 40-50% of MCC, but it is surprisingly easy to compile.  The main reason is because the surge in MCC population occurred early to mid 2011, and there were many large dealer submissions.  500 coins per NGC number appears to be the max limit, and I've encountered many such submission and many close to that limit.  These large submission accounted for 50% to 90% of current MCC population.  The good news is that dealers are in the business of making money, so these coins are likely available at fair price.  When these coins get into the hand of collectors, they will be a lot harder to pry loose. 

[badon]

I have noticed that phenomenon. When you buy from a dealer, you get a good price. When you buy from a collector, it's like a sacrifice to the gods. The 70 grade coin is advertised for $100,000. I bet that guy bought the coin for under $5000, if he got it from a dealer (he might have gotten lucky in his own submission).

The really scary thing is that somebody out there might actually pay such a huge price. In a country as big as China, with lots of rich people spending stupid money on stupid things, it would not be surprising if it actually sold. I know I want it, and I can't afford it :)