Author Topic: 1989 3.3 oz silver god of war and wealth varieties discovered by reiboy of CCF  (Read 62900 times)

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The super clouded 69 one is GONE!!!!!

Hi Calc, eBay says the item was no longer available. Did you sell it? Thanks.

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Hello everyone,

I just got my clear claw god of wealth medal back from ncs today.
It graded 69!  Cert number 3540616-031

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Hello everyone,

I just got my clear claw god of wealth medal back from ncs today.
It graded 69!  Cert number 3540616-031

Congratulations! Now you need Clouded Claw 69 and Super Clouded Claw 69 :-)

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Congratulations! Now you need Clouded Claw 69 and Super Clouded Claw 69 :-)

Oh, but for the money.  Maybe someday i will be able to acquire such an expensive set, but not yet.

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I think the clear claws are underpriced right now, since all the attention has been focused on the clouded and super clouded. My investment dollars are going towards the clouded and clear, since the supers are so hard to find, and already quite valuable.

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Oh, but for the money.  Maybe someday i will be able to acquire such an expensive set, but not yet.

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I think the clear claws are underpriced right now, since all the attention has been focused on the clouded and super clouded. My investment dollars are going towards the clouded and clear, since the supers are so hard to find, and already quite valuable.

Anyone know of Private sales of super clouded claw 69's going for strong money???
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I know of a few that sold for over $5000. If I remember correctly, they were on this forum and/or on ebay. They might have sold for over $6000, but I'm not sure.

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A hoard of these GOW medals entering market soon! 32 in fact.

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/CertResults.aspx?CertNumber=3104265-001 through 032. A few 69s in clear and clouded, none in super clouded. In fact, none in the batch were super clouded. Alhambra sent these in.

They also have ten 1989 1oz silver snakes coming, about half in PF69. As well as a boatload of other coins.

Don't mean to out them but it doesn't take much snooping to figure these things out. I think NGC should do away with sequential numbering, or at least add a random 3 letter suffix to the end to make snooping harder. This to protect sellers from revealing their hand too early.

This can't the hoard badon was referring to, can it!?

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hmm...looks like Super Clouded is even more rare than previously thought.

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Out of 32, only 10 received a 69 grade.

3104265-007 - Clouded 69
3104265-010 - Clouded 69
3104265-027 - Clouded 69

3104265-008 - Clear 69
3104265-015 - Clear 69
3104265-016 - Clear 69
3104265-020 - Clear 69
3104265-021 - Clear 69
3104265-023 - Clear 69
3104265-029 - Clear 69

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The Coin Compendium has randomized numbers, but it also has features to allow you to track who uploaded a coin, and who claims to own it, among other things. Both NGC and the Coin Compendium are there to bring coins to light, not keep them hidden. It will take special thought and consideration to allow them to be hidden.

Is that something you think would be important for the Coin Compendium? Right now, it's designed to track ownership history, but the owners can just be anonymous user names. The same tricks can be used to figure out what other coins are in a lot, on NGC's website.

I'm not sure, but I think Alhambra's coins may have come from PandaAmerica, which was a separate hoard from the other one that contained 50 coins. Last I checked, the 50 coin hoard was down to only 15 coins, and the best of them had already been cherry-picked.

In any case, it's good that there's finally some clouded 69's coming to the market soon. Those things are hard to find.

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Out of 32, only 10 received a 69 grade.

3104265-007 - Clouded 69
3104265-010 - Clouded 69
3104265-027 - Clouded 69

3104265-008 - Clear 69
3104265-015 - Clear 69
3104265-016 - Clear 69
3104265-020 - Clear 69
3104265-021 - Clear 69
3104265-023 - Clear 69
3104265-029 - Clear 69

Thanks for that info. That confirms my information that says most of the best coins have been sold already, leaving behind lower grade coins in the remaining hoards. This ought to have the effect of holding 68 and lower grade prices flat or increasing slowly, while boosting 69 grade prices due to scarcity.

In the previous submissions, we were seeing about 80% of the clear claw coins come back as 69's. How many clear claw and clouded claw are in the 32 coin lot? Is it still an 80% ratio for the 69 clears, and a 25% ratio for the 69 cloudeds?

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hmm...looks like Super Clouded is even more rare than previously thought.

Yes, the fact that no new super cloudeds are being discovered means that these other coins being submitted are demonstrating that the relative rarity of a 69 super is higher than previously thought. However, I suspect that rarecoincollector may have more of them coming, but how many and in what grade, I don't know.

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Thanks for that info. That confirms my information that says most of the best coins have been sold already, leaving behind lower grade coins in the remaining hoards. This ought to have the effect of holding 68 and lower grade prices flat or increasing slowly, while boosting 69 grade prices due to scarcity.

In the previous submissions, we were seeing about 80% of the clear claw coins come back as 69's. How many clear claw and clouded claw are in the 32 coin lot? Is it still an 80% ratio for the 69 clears, and a 25% ratio for the 69 cloudeds?

Correct. One thing I was amazed at seeing that so many coins received 66 and 67 graded. Hardly a few 68s.

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Yes, the fact that no new super cloudeds are being discovered means that these other coins being submitted are demonstrating that the relative rarity of a 69 super is higher than previously thought. However, I suspect that rarecoincollector may have more of them coming, but how many and in what grade, I don't know.

One super clouded 69 showed up for $2500 today on Rarecoincollector. It was sold within minutes.  :(

Also they added one clouded raw for $1550.

Badon, what do you think the market price should be for these...