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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #195 on: December 16, 2012, 08:16:31 AM »
This thread made me quite curious about this coin I have, is it a small date 2001-D panda? Or just a normal one? The pictures on the eBay sale are not so clear, and my other 2001 panda look the same.

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #196 on: December 16, 2012, 08:22:10 AM »
looks Small-D to me

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #197 on: December 16, 2012, 08:25:11 AM »
Dragondollar, you always help me, so I will "attempt" to help you :) I agree with bassist, it looks small D. I used Sandac method:


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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #198 on: December 16, 2012, 08:30:42 AM »
Hmm, this would be quite a good news. I guess I should get this little bear graded, then. Thanks a lot basSist and r3globe :)

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #199 on: December 16, 2012, 09:45:51 AM »
Actually, do you think this bear can have a good grade? It has slept for quite a long time in my drawer. The only time I sent a MCC to NGC, it was a 1992 UNEP girl that I thought was flawless but got PF67 in the end :(

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #200 on: December 16, 2012, 08:56:26 PM »
Looks like a Fake to me! 

Just kidding, yes it is a small D and looks to be in good condition probably 68+

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #201 on: December 16, 2012, 09:13:02 PM »
I used Sandac method:
We've had so much posting today, this one slid off page and I missed it.  It is actually poconopenn's method.  It is a very quick method, just draw a line from the belly to the chest, and it should barely touched the small D.  The same line would have bisect the big D.

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #202 on: December 16, 2012, 09:37:12 PM »
This coin belongs to SANDAC already ;) I was surprised by how quick the sale ended, I may consider selling more if I find some other individual pouch. I am reluctant to split the sheet, since it may be more likely to get me a MS70.

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #203 on: December 16, 2012, 10:35:55 PM »
So you have a sheet or multiple sheets?  Were you aware of this variety when you purchased them or you just happened to pick them up in the market?  You may have read that I went through the old NGC graded population of 2001D and wasn't able to find a single small D.  I was quite perplexed by that.  One possible explaination is that 2001D was not popular until recently, so vast majority of the existing NGC graded 2001D were exported in large lots by a few dealers, and they happened to purchase just the large D variety. 

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #204 on: December 16, 2012, 11:05:29 PM »
I have one sheet of 10 small Ds, and possibly several others in individual pouch like the one I sold. I need to check that out when I get back home. I was not aware of the variety before, so this is quite lucky. In 2007 a french friend asked me to bring him back 250 2001-D. Since I liked the design and the seller gave me a very attractive price I got 1 full sheet and 20 others in smaller sheets (2 or 4 together) for myself. When I read the topic, I asked my friend if he got some small D in his sheets. He does not know which one I provided him already, but he does not have any small D right now anyway. I was less lucky with the 2003, I also have one sheet of 2003 panda but no special variety.

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #205 on: December 16, 2012, 11:34:50 PM »
Nice find on this Dragon dollar! and nice purchase Sandac! This is really interesting and thanks for sharing the info on this. If either or both of you get any of these graded I hope for you to get 69s and 70s ...  :biggrin:

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #206 on: December 16, 2012, 11:39:04 PM »
I have one sheet of 10 small Ds, and possibly several others in individual pouch like the one I sold. I need to check that out when I get back home. I was not aware of the variety before, so this is quite lucky. In 2007 a french friend asked me to bring him back 250 2001-D. Since I liked the design and the seller gave me a very attractive price I got 1 full sheet and 20 others in smaller sheets (2 or 4 together) for myself. When I read the topic, I asked my friend if he got some small D in his sheets. He does not know which one I provided him already, but he does not have any small D right now anyway. I was less lucky with the 2003, I also have one sheet of 2003 panda but no special variety.
Very interesting.  So small D was already in circulation by 2007, and some of them were already cut up into smaller pieces.  Each of the cut-up pieces may represent another sheet of 10.  On the other hand, your French friend's experience would indicate it is still quite rare, perhaps 1-in-10?  Giving the 4x price premium, I believe many of them will now show up in NGC census over the next few months.

I did a quick tally of my known 2001D with respect to NGC certification number.  The data supports the theory of current graded 2001D as the results of large lot dealer submission.  So it is plausible that the relatively rare small D was not exported just by chance.

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #207 on: December 16, 2012, 11:41:31 PM »
Nice find on this Dragon dollar! and nice purchase Sandac! This is really interesting and thanks for sharing the info on this. If either or both of you get any of these graded I hope for you to get 69s and 70s ...  :biggrin:
3% of 2001D are 70's, so it is possible.  Think about that... :drool:

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #208 on: December 16, 2012, 11:45:11 PM »
This is quite exciting, I should go to the market next week-end to see if they have some small D there. I'll share the results on CCF  ;)

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #209 on: December 17, 2012, 05:11:24 AM »
Actually I had to go to Madian to post SANDAC's coin. I checked the market there. They only had 40 2001-D (4 complete sheets), all big D. I also checked at home. Besides my sheet of small D's, I only have one other single pouch. The 19 others are a mix of "without D" and big D. Makes me even more convinced to not sell my sheet, but I can sell the single Panda.