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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #255 on: January 02, 2013, 03:46:41 AM »
Dear Moderator,
I must apologize for having misinterpreted the Welcome dms as a welcome to the site viewer. As mentioned I am new and do not wish to discredit a trader in anyway. I apologize for any misunderstand to the trader of item 261148308773.

I did try and delete my post but do not know how or if possible.



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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #256 on: January 02, 2013, 04:51:12 PM »
Dear Moderator,
I must apologize for having misinterpreted the Welcome dms as a welcome to the site viewer. As mentioned I am new and do not wish to discredit a trader in anyway. I apologize for any misunderstand to the trader of item 261148308773.

I did try and delete my post but do not know how or if possible.



Not sure what this post is for but this listing is obviously deceptive , this coin is NOT a small d 2001d . Seller also has a 1993 resealed in wrong OMP.

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #257 on: January 02, 2013, 07:36:43 PM »
bendip is not the seller of 261148308773.  He misinterpreted a piece of eBay information displayed on his computer and asked moderators to delete his previous posting based on that misinterpretation.  We did.

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #258 on: January 02, 2013, 11:18:36 PM »
bendip is not the seller of 261148308773.  He misinterpreted a piece of eBay information displayed on his computer and asked moderators to delete his previous posting based on that misinterpretation.  We did.

And what do you think of this deceptive listing? and the fact they have maxed out messages so none can be sent?

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #259 on: January 02, 2013, 11:37:40 PM »
It definitely is not the small D.  I tried to contact the seller as well, but unable to.  I am able to report it to eBay, however.


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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #261 on: January 06, 2013, 10:37:40 PM »
The price is OK, for 22 of MS 69.

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #262 on: January 15, 2013, 04:12:50 PM »
The Small "D" variety is definitely one of the more interesting ones to come along in awhile, at least for me.  A lot of the stuff people look at as varieties fall into the category of "VAM equivalents" for me, so to speak.  They're varieties, but minor varieties.

I guess the 2001 Small "D", 1995 Micro Date, etc. are the types of major varieties that really appeal to me, probably due to my Ameri-centric way of looking at coins. :)

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #263 on: January 22, 2013, 02:20:19 AM »
 sorry - maybe a little ot

>>>  seems correct from the omp, mint slip <<<

2002 was "the year of the mint slip"  e:biggrin: one coin, one slip

but some are without ..

i don't talk about fake like this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-1oz-silver-panda-/110998416904?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item19d8056e08

there are real panda coins 2002 without mint slip.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-1-OZ-10-YUAN-SILVER-PANDA-CHINA-PROOFLIKE-MINT-PACKAGE-DOUBLE-SEAL-RARE-99-/230898697143?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item35c2a283b7&nma=true&si=lyVzbxWJwJpWtoSj3CVDEu9QIX4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-China-Panda-Coin-1oz-999-Fine-Silver-Brilliant-Uncirculated-/150980917242?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item232729f7fa&nma=true&si=lyVzbxWJwJpWtoSj3CVDEu9QIX4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Silver-Panda-Coin-/261155212701?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item3cce104d9d&nma=true&si=lyVzbxWJwJpWtoSj3CVDEu9QIX4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

... are they resealed?

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HI , Hipanda, if this is directed at me , I am not upset at all or taking it personal , I really appreciate all the info and input here , After looking at these over and over again and with loops and comparing to the regular d, and the 2001 and 2002 , I am still not seeing anything that would lead me to believe they are fake or non silver everything seems correct from the omp, mint slip , slight typical tarnish on the outer edge( exactly the same as others of this year) I would love to get some of the expert opinions here , but I also have some experience myself. This is alot more interesting than what I first thought.
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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #264 on: February 08, 2013, 08:50:44 PM »
I pull together what I read from this thread and compiled a collage of nine known 2001D types and varieties.  I try to rotate and expand so all images are the same size and orientation.  I draw a red line through the same spot on the panda's bended knee.  Looking at the placement and size of the "D", I have a feeling there are quite a bit more varieties yet to be discovered.

I've spent some time wading through the 18 pages of this thread on the 2001D, and I realized that it may take a while to wrap my mind around all of this in order to identify a recent purchase (see attached).  It occurred to me that there may be a few experts out there who have immersed themselves in the subtleties of this variety, and may be able to tell at a glance what variety my 2001D 500Y coin is.  It seems like a "smaller" D and a "higher" D from what I can tell so far.  Any insights would be appreciated.  Thanks.

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #265 on: February 08, 2013, 09:11:37 PM »
I have several pages of photos, notes and comparisons on the gold 2001-D  "High and Low D" varieties somewhere, along with their relative rarity in the various sizes, from an earlier correspondence with one of the other Forum Members here - I'll try and find them. The 2001-D Gold  is one of my favorite varieties, involves some original research of mine, and with the very low number of highly graded coins it makes clarifying varieties of these maybe one of the last potentially really high-value discoveries. There may turn out to be only a couple of specimens in high grades in each size in each variety.

I do know that drawing lines on these gold coins do not show the difference easily, since the placement differs only by a couple of millimeters.  Instead, photos need to be blown up, or loops used on coins, and I've discovered the telling sign is what is seen INSIDE of the D,  and depending on the size seeing either where the bamboo branches intersect, or where the bamboo nodes are. For example, the 1/10 oz clearly has a node visible on the center of the three bamboo branches, near the middle inside of the D on the High D, but on the Low D that node is invisible, being covered by part of the D.  
Again, the difference is miniscule but obvious once you know what to look for and see them side by side.

Someone with access to a better camera than I have may take new photos and post them if it takes me too long to find mine. SANDAC and his super-imposing photos would show the difference well.



« Last Edit: February 08, 2013, 09:45:21 PM by Hippanda »
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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #266 on: February 08, 2013, 09:52:14 PM »
I will not call them large  or small D, but high  or low D.

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #267 on: February 08, 2013, 10:02:52 PM »
Yes, agreed. Great photos Poconopenn and lines which clearly show it.

Birdman's is a High D.  

Easy to see on the 500y.

There are some other small differences too, like a couple of leaves and the fur on the panda in places.
But after going bug-eyed for hours looking for a fast common way of determining, you can't beat the inside of the D
on the small coins.








« Last Edit: February 08, 2013, 10:15:09 PM by Hippanda »
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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #268 on: February 08, 2013, 11:02:59 PM »
The high D 500yuan is the common one.  Low-D is hard to find, but there was one.  So Hippanda, are you going to buy the low-D?  I have a note to myself to wait 2 months before thinking about it.  It has been 2 months now.  When the seller relist it (I hope), I plan to tell him it is a different variety and please post a high resolution picture of it.

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #269 on: February 08, 2013, 11:47:05 PM »
Yes I have some Low D 50 Y, and a few other assorted Low D, and I agree for at least some sizes they are the scarcer variety.  I can't recall offhand if that is true for all the sizes I've seen though.

I found some notes I made a while back-

I have seen Low Ds in all sizes.  They do seem to be the scarcer variety.
The other thing is, the High D seems to have the better strike and crisper detail.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2013, 11:58:19 PM by Hippanda »
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