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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #120 on: December 08, 2012, 04:57:31 PM »
send me your CC# ;)

Sell one of those "small-D"s, the proceeds should be more than enough.   N16

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #121 on: December 09, 2012, 12:09:20 AM »
Here is original article from Mr Huang. Shenzhen Mint was not involved in large scale melting of pre-2001 MCC.

关新中国贵金属币实铸量和补铸情况的探讨(黄瑞勇)

Thank you for the article.  It is good to read it again a year later.

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« Last Edit: December 09, 2012, 12:41:34 AM by Hipanda »
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Re: 2001"D" Gold Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #123 on: December 09, 2012, 02:12:20 AM »
Never mind- The 500 yuan would have showed it nice, but the 100 yuan you already did is fine. Some members told me they didn't see any difference in the 100 yuan you showed.
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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #124 on: December 09, 2012, 02:51:13 AM »
The two gold 500 yuan are definitely different.  I can show that in two different ways.  The first picture is the animated GIF like the one I did previously.  The dynamically changing images can be quite distracting.  The 2nd picture is a 50% transparent overlay of one image on top of the other.  Perhaps it is easier to see the difference this way.

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Re: 2001"D" Gold Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #125 on: December 09, 2012, 03:05:56 AM »
 Nice work-  I agree those two pics weren't the best, the lighting differences made it distracting, but your overlay is great.
It clearly shows the upward D shift, and also a few other differences I've noted, like the jowls vs smooth cheek and smooth vs furry belly.  The "1" in 1oz.  The 999s.

Definate varieties. Too bad its going to have to be described (High D/ Low D) in less clear terms than the already popular Small Date/ Large Date of other coins.

The good thing is that crisply struck 2001-D Gold Pandas in a 69 grade are already among the very ratest coins of all gold Pandas, so assembling a set of all High D or Low D in 69 might be the rarest of all gold Panda sets yet. A chance at a "First" type set which the solo Silver cannot provide.

Pretty exciting stuff here...
« Last Edit: December 09, 2012, 03:15:14 AM by Hipanda »
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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #126 on: December 09, 2012, 03:42:14 AM »
Joeman,

Thanks for the pictures.

Please post another picture for the upper part of temple side. Attached enlarge section picture has too much reflections. I just want to confirm those dots on the Chinese characters are reflections, not extra material on the relief. The panda side appears to be OK. There are few scratched marks on the fur.

hows the new pics poconopenn????







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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #127 on: December 09, 2012, 03:42:48 AM »
hows the new pics poconopenn????

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #128 on: December 09, 2012, 07:58:12 AM »
hello all. i am from SS  :001_smile:

how bout this picture?

big D vs small D  :001_wub:

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #129 on: December 09, 2012, 08:48:19 AM »
I think it is pretty darn conclusive:) REAL ,RARE, CUTE LITTLE D :)

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #130 on: December 09, 2012, 08:51:45 AM »
WOW 410USD with 6 days left in a 7 day auction ,heavy hitter,s have not even showed up yet:) 200861492032, congrats silverstar!

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #131 on: December 09, 2012, 08:59:05 AM »
Do you really think there will be a price different between small "D" and big "D" ? Does Peter Anthony know the mintage of the different variety in his coming gold and silver panda book part 2 ?

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #132 on: December 09, 2012, 09:10:17 AM »
NICE COINS BasSIST  I am starting to think we should submit to NGC for a new label designation  "The Silver Stacker Hoard":)

Straitssettlementshop IMHO ,if someone of Sandac,s caliber and knowledge goes thru over 800 NGC graded coins,and cant find 1 small D???  pretty much answers that question .... I would think no? that has to speak to Rarity of the small D ,disclaimer: I am no expert ,but just a student of the"rules of common sense"..........................

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #133 on: December 09, 2012, 09:11:39 AM »
Do you really think there will be a price different between small "D" and big "D" ? Does Peter Anthony know the mintage of the different variety in his coming gold and silver panda book part 2 ?

Total estimated surviving population of all BU 2001 D Pandas is 33,000.
2000 mirrored 15,000.
Small D is much rarer than 2000 mirrored.

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Re: 2001"D" Silver Panda-A Sleeper??
« Reply #134 on: December 09, 2012, 10:49:35 AM »
Here is another way of looking at the rarity of small-D:  We know at this moment there are at least 18 small-D out of 1250 2001D graded, so that's 1.4% and assuming there are 33,000 2001D total, then there are at least 470 small-D at current ratio.  We also know there are at least 22-32 un-graded small-D out there (joeman's 10x, silverstar1's 2x, NBM's comes from a different sheet, BasSIST's also from a sheet, possibly different than NBM's).  Since joeman already sold one at $750, and silverstar1's auction is looking at $500 or greater, we are looking at 3-5 times greater price than the nominal $150 for a MS69 2001D.   I'm going to stick my neck out and make a projection:  the high price differential means the 22-32 known plus other unknown small-D hoards will now be graded in the next few months.  This is the rarity distortion.  There will be a rapid rise in small-D population that causes the perceived rarity to decrease and price differential to fall and then the small-D population will level out as the supply become depleted and the price differential will rise again.  I also expect the overall graded population (and their price) of 2001D to rise faster due to the new interests.  

Now is the time to calculate rarity before it is all muddy up.

Edit: here is an example of rarity distortion:  http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=6819.msg41884#msg41884
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