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Stairway to Heavenly
« on: June 12, 2019, 05:15:50 PM »
A mountain path that leads to a temple concealed by forest, a hint of danger, friendly fellow hikers and a series of beautiful coins – what could be better?

Stairway to Heavenly
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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2019, 03:34:56 AM »
Here is a 1994 brass medal for the Wannian Temple. It is part of a four medal set of the four sacred Buddhist mountains in China. The brass set makes an interesting companion to the silver coins minted 20 years later.



Oddly enough, I was able to buy and then photograph this set just a week after the story about the Wannian Temple was published by NGC.

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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2019, 08:26:42 AM »
Peter

NGC refers to this brass medal as "Pu Xian Buddha - Mt. E Mei."

The mint also released a 4 medal set in 1/10th oz gold in 1994.

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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2019, 02:26:21 PM »
Peter

NGC refers to this brass medal as "Pu Xian Buddha - Mt. E Mei."

The mint also released a 4 medal set in 1/10th oz gold in 1994.

Mark Bonke

Thanks, Mark.

The Shenyang Mint also issued very pretty Emeishan medals in brass and silver in 2015.

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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2019, 05:07:13 AM »
Here is the brass version of the 2015 Emeishan medal struck at the Shenyang Mint. The artist of this outstanding design is Liao Bo.



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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2019, 08:23:40 AM »
 Peter

From my perspective, these recent medals from the last decade (or so) make the medals from the 1980s and 1990s seem to be so simple in design and craftsmanship.  The Chinese Mints have come far in quality in just a few short years.

Mark Bonke

Ps  Sometime, you should share with us pictures of the medals on display at the larger coin shows in Beijing, Shanghai or Quangzhou.  The options are plentiful for the medal collector and the designs are fantastic.

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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2019, 03:41:20 AM »
Mark,

Yes, advances in minting technology have given coin artists, designers and engravers new tools to create outstanding designs. I think this Emeishan medal by Liao Bo is a good example of what happens when a superb artist is given the technical means to express his, or her, ideas.

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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2019, 07:24:43 AM »
No doubt the new issue medals/coins are outstanding in design.      However, early issue medals/coins will see much higher prices......

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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2019, 09:41:14 AM »
Beautiful pieces Peter. Thanks for posting, love the high relief and the amazing details.  These have a great future, perhaps better than the early year pieces (80’s - 90’s)...time will tell. 

Here’s the silver version.

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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2019, 11:36:11 PM »
The thing that turns me off with some of the modern day medals is that they are too perfect, with smooth lines and impeccable surfaces, most likely worked out with the assistance of computers and milling machines, instead of by hand on clay and plaster, or even directly on metal. They lack the kind of roughness that appeals to me.

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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2019, 01:44:16 AM »
100% agree.  Just like a vinyl recording of a virtuoso violinist on a hand made Stradivarius is far superior to soul-less modern computer generated synthesized noise.

What is the cutoff date?  2003 ?
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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2019, 02:21:07 AM »
100% agree.  Just like a vinyl recording of a virtuoso violinist on a hand made Stradivarius is far superior to soul-less modern computer generated synthesized noise.

What is the cutoff date?  2003 ?

Do you find this soul-less? It is designed by a friend of mine so I am biased on this subject, but also curious about what you like, or dislike about it.



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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2019, 03:05:04 AM »
I like this more, simple, rugged, but powerful.

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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2019, 03:27:48 AM »
The two eras are different. I find coin and medal designs that interest me in both periods, but everyone can decide for themselves.



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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2019, 03:54:35 AM »
Since you asked, yes I find that image has beauty, but lacks some human soul. I am much more in agreement style-wise with fwang2450, and see too much perfection, or artificial planned order, with the modern computer aided designs. I much prefer designs like fwang245 has shown.  Like the Goldfish: classic hand crafted, imperfect, rough-hewn. Mesmerizing to repeatedly view and ponder, rather than glance once and done.

But hey it's all up to individual preferences and everyone has the right to choose what art they like.
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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2019, 06:38:31 AM »
Here is a 2015 medal with a fairly direct design:



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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2019, 06:50:32 AM »
I love them both but early years are the best choice for investment.      A few NILM or new issue low mint medals have retained their value and gone up but most have dropped in price.    I tracked a NIML 69 brass that sold for $19 on ebay w/ 99 mint.     This is typical of NILM,  but CCL would know best.     Have tracked big gold.    New issue big gold has big price but i see few sales if any.    Again, CCL would know.    Early issue big gold has big price and sales.     Many early issue that are listed do not say sold but say unavailable which means there are negotiations behind the scenes, and not relisted.
NILM is great for the love of design but the big money will flood into early issue.     Like i once posted on the other site, those that sell NILM are quietly buying early issue behind the scenes w/ the profits made from selling NILM.    What does that say?    Those that promote sales of NILM do not believe in their value.      Buy them all if you wish but understand the early issue will see huge demand in the near future....   
I must admit NILM are beauties so to each their own....

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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2019, 02:59:45 PM »
To follow up on Hippanda's analogy, modern electronic music can imitate the sound of a violin or an oboe. The sound is accurate and smooth, but you can never hear the vibration of the string or the reed on the real instrument. The sound is bland, featureless. Similarly, the CAD produced image on a medal can imitate the handwork of an sculptor on clay, but it does not have the feeling of texture. It is smooth and bland the same way electronic music is smooth and bland.

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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2019, 03:30:31 PM »
Actually, quite a few coin artists at the mints still work in clay. It isn't unusual at all. No active engraver hand carves dies any longer, as far as I am aware of. At a BICE show a few years ago, the Shenyang Mint brought along a retired engraver who demonstrated hand carving dies to visitors. It was quite fascinating to watch.

Here is another view of the clay-sculpted wolf medal by Liao Bo:



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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2019, 04:46:27 PM »
Choose your style-

Classic to modern:

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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2019, 05:04:10 PM »
Of the more modern medals, this is one of the few that I have found pleasing:  2015 Kuan-yin
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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2019, 08:21:24 PM »
Actually, quite a few coin artists at the mints still work in clay. It isn't unusual at all. No active engraver hand carves dies any longer, as far as I am aware of. At a BICE show a few years ago, the Shenyang Mint brought along a retired engraver who demonstrated hand carving dies to visitors. It was quite fascinating to watch.

Here is another view of the clay-sculpted wolf medal by Liao Bo:



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I like this better than his Buddhas, although I bought those, too.

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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2019, 09:29:13 PM »
One of the present day Chinese medals I did not want to miss this is one based on the Chinese novel Strange Tales from the Liaozhai Studio (https://blogs.loc.gov/international-collections/2018/10/the-strange-tales-from-liaozhai/). Compared with the high relief medals currently in fashion, designs on this one is pretty flat, and to match the theme of the stories, the medal is stained black. There is nothing flashy about it. But since its release, the price has tripled, unlike most copper medals recently released. See the pictures below from a Taobao seller. (Disclosure: I have one medal myself.)

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Re: Stairway to Heavenly
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2019, 02:33:47 AM »
One of the present day Chinese medals I did not want to miss this is one based on the Chinese novel Strange Tales from the Liaozhai Studio (https://blogs.loc.gov/international-collections/2018/10/the-strange-tales-from-liaozhai/). Compared with the high relief medals currently in fashion, designs on this one is pretty flat, and to match the theme of the stories, the medal is stained black. There is nothing flashy about it. But since its release, the price has tripled, unlike most copper medals recently released. See the pictures below from a Taobao seller. (Disclosure: I have one medal myself.)

 

This is a beautiful, poetic design.

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