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Re: 2001 small D 1 oz. silver panda is not "genuine" China Mint product
« Reply #150 on: June 10, 2017, 07:41:18 PM »
Which die/hub usually carries the reeding pattern during silver panda coin minting? Is it the die/hub for the obverse or reverse, or is the reeding pattern stamped independently, maybe by the holder/receptacle in which the blank is inserted for stamping? Thanks for clarification because I don't know the answer. Best wishes.

In order to hold the coin securely during the striking process, a metal collar that is the exact diameter of the coin is placed in between the two coin dies. A planchet is placed on top of the anvil die and held securely by the collar.

The collar has a series of small grooves already carved into it. When the planchet is struck at tremendous pressure, the coin tries to expand out the side but is held in place by the collar. The tiny grooves on the collar are now transferred to the edge of the coin.

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Re: 2001 small D 1 oz. silver panda is not "genuine" China Mint product
« Reply #151 on: June 10, 2017, 09:19:31 PM »
In order to hold the coin securely during the striking process, a metal collar that is the exact diameter of the coin is placed in between the two coin dies. A planchet is placed on top of the anvil die and held securely by the collar.

The collar has a series of small grooves already carved into it. When the planchet is struck at tremendous pressure, the coin tries to expand out the side but is held in place by the collar. The tiny grooves on the collar are now transferred to the edge of the coin.

Thanks for the technical information, which I needed to continue following the discussion.

What this suggests is that the reeding pattern of the 2001sd silver panda does not prove or disprove the hypothesis that the reverse of the coin may have been minted with a 2002 hub/die?  :confused1:
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Re: 2001 small D 1 oz. silver panda is not "genuine" China Mint product
« Reply #152 on: June 11, 2017, 12:03:42 AM »
Thanks for the technical information, which I needed to continue following the discussion.

What this suggests is that the reeding pattern of the 2001sd silver panda does not prove or disprove the hypothesis that the reverse of the coin may have been minted with a 2002 hub/die?  :confused1:

There are significant design changes after 2001 for observe.

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Re: 2001 small D 1 oz. silver panda is not "genuine" China Mint product
« Reply #153 on: September 04, 2017, 10:36:55 AM »
In latest issue of JEAN . . .

2001 small D silver panda is referred to as a fantasy coin (see attached)

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Re: 2001 small D 1 oz. silver panda is not "genuine" China Mint product
« Reply #154 on: December 12, 2017, 10:39:31 AM »
I wonder if the 1990 "small P" will suffer a similar debate...given its recent discovery!!!

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Re: 2001 small D 1 oz. silver panda is not "genuine" China Mint product
« Reply #155 on: December 12, 2017, 11:32:29 AM »
The 1990 small P is found in sets/boxes from the time period (1990).    There are also other date varieties that are not recognized yet.