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2017 ANA Show Medals
« on: July 31, 2017, 12:24:54 AM »
Taking pre-orders for ANA Show Medals to be released by MCM.  If you are interested please text (608-695-0285) your name, graded or OMP and which coin you want (silver or gold) and I will send you a text the minute I get pricing and availability.  For these medals in OMP I typically sell very close to what dealers at the show are bidding plus shipping and handling.  I expect to be able to ship directly from the show.  If you want graded medals, then you will have to wait until Saturday after I get the grading results, the prices for graded ones will be slightly below market, but could be a lot higher than the OMP price earlier in the week due to extra risk I take in grading them. 

I also have a 2016 ANA 1oz gold medal NGC PF70 with show release label for $6200 if anyone is interested.   

I am at table #828 with forum member bonke.  Stop by.  Plan to have 100+ new coins back from NGC on Wednesday. 

Expecting a great show with gold up in the last week.  Seeing great activity from dealers looking to sell some inventory, only a few 1/2 and 1/4, mainly 1oz gold and silver coming into the market.

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2017, 02:13:42 PM »
Can you share any actual pictures of the MCM or PandaAmerica Denver medal?  How is the show?  One day I'd like attend and meet folks like you and others. Thank you.

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2017, 02:29:20 AM »
Tuesday was dealer set up in the morning followed by public being let in at 1pm.  Couple of observations:

1) dealer to dealer transactions were  strong, I was glad to sell most of my low grades, no core paper money, silver pandas to other US based dealers at reasonable and profitable prices.  I was glad to buy 14 1/2 oz.  NO mainland dealers came to the show, first time since 2009 that this has happened, it could be the stacks show in HK in 10 days that made it difficult to attend.

2) retail traffic was non existent, easily the lowest retail traffic count I can remember at a big ANA show in the first day.  Only one retail customer all day, a well known buyer on eBay.  I don't blame them for not coming, hotel prices are through the roof, car rental prices are the highest I have seen, bullion demand is at multi year lows, US mint didnt release any profitable coin at the show and internet is much cheaper way to get what you want from the comfort of your home (Amazon will take over all retail someday).

3) Panda America tri metal is nice and a steal at $40.  It comes in a mint holder that looks like a NGC holder, but no grade.  Silver less colorful, but still nice and worth $99 price.  No pieforts being offered at the show :(

4) MCM silver didn't make it in time for the first day, update was on Friday they may have 300 available for sale.  Gold is not going to be available for 2-3 weeks and will be sold via MCM website at market prices, with no special pricing for show :(

5) Items 3) and 4) got Clark, Peter A and myself into a discussion about whether a medal should be called a show commerative when no medals are actually sold at the show to the public.  We all agreed if a medal isn't sold at a show it really doesn't deserve to be called a show commerativel.  With this rule PA pieforts and MCM gold would not be considered show commeratives, not sure what name to call them.  Curious what others think.

6) Unless things change on the retail front this will be my last show I set up at, much beter to walk around and talk/buy/sell to dealers at their table than having own table.  With retail public gone, I feel like the show is more like a conference among dealers than a show open to public.

Let's see how Wednesday stacks up, have 65 coins coming back from NGC and can't what to see the grades on some of my proof coins that I purchased 6-9 years ago (I no longer look at grades online, more fun to see them live).  Strangely another invoice sent the same day isn't ready, so will have to wait till next week to get those remaining results on proof coins 1/4, 1/10 and 1/20.



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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2017, 04:01:13 AM »
Thanks for the report
Cant wait for next update
Agree on the coin shows medals
They should be sold at the show to earn the right to be called coin show commeratives

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2017, 08:20:51 AM »
I would like to add to Arif's excellent account. Late in the day, after 6 p.m., the floor looked far more crowded with visitors. I had to leave, but there was still another hour of show so maybe things improved. I hope so and will ask around about that today.

I also agree that the Panda America trimetallic Show Panda is a very, very good value. The silver medal is attractive and both ought to be sold out soon. There was good interest in both the PA and MCM products. The folks at MCM looked busy fielding inquiries.

The idea that only products that were actually available at a coin show are Show Pandas makes sense to me. It is the plain meaning of the term. Medals that share the same designs, but weren't offered at the show could be called, for instance, commemorative medals — not Show Pandas.

There was a discussion among some dealers that Denver is not a big enough population center to hold the annual ANA convention. I have mixed feelings about that as it seems good for the entire field to have a numismatic presence in as much of the country as possible. Obviously, dealers come to a show to do business and they need a large attendance. I don't believe the problem is Denver, however.

Fundamentally, the American coin business is challenged to attract more people. A year ago I brought my son to a Comic-Con show in the same convention center building where the ANA show is now. The street was filled with thousands of people waiting to get in. Inside, the entire building – not just one hall – was crowded like a Hong Kong coin show. Super heroes and fantasy play are relevant to the lives and imaginations of the public. I wish coins were the same way; they need to be more like that to prosper.

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2017, 09:59:49 PM »
Thanks for the summary on the show.  How was it today?  Anyone have actual pictures of the Denver show medal?  The pictures on Panda America aren't too flattering.  Thank you.

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2017, 11:13:30 PM »
Today I didnt buy a single coin.  Sold more low grade gold pandas to three dealers (one is forum member) at slightly below cost, but coins were ms65-68 condition, they looked great in omp.  Didn't have a single retail customer. 

On the positive side met couple of great dealers that I do mail purchases from and met editor of the goldsheet.  Tonight sold a bunch of coins to two retail customers wanting 70s and some 69s from the coins I got back from NGC today.

Attached some picutures below. Take a look at how dead the aisle is an hour after the public is allowed in.  Several dealers pointed out that Denver is not a great city to have a coin show, it was equal disaster 11 years ago when the coin show was here, let's hope the ANA board of governors use traffics data points to avoid another disaster in the future.

The PA coins are nicer in person than in the pics.  I believe they are 30 sets away from a sell out.

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2017, 12:06:56 AM »
Here is a photo of one face of the Panda America Show Panda taken at the show:



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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2017, 09:56:22 AM »
Were these medal fully minted i.e. 888 in each case? Thanks.
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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2017, 11:00:17 AM »
Were these medal fully minted i.e. 888 in each case? Thanks.

Sorry for above typo: medal = medals!
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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2017, 11:05:35 AM »
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Were these medal fully minted i.e. 888 in each case? Thanks.

Yes

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2017, 11:06:42 AM »
Any updates about the MCM medals?

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2017, 06:10:46 PM »
They started selling them at 10am on Friday, they had 300 with them and sold about 200 by 3pm, many to dealers and some to collectors.  The 300 will have special ANA release label.

Retail traffic picked up on Friday, made two sales to new customers.  Several prior customers visited Thursday and Friday. Couple of dealers that sell to me that I have never visited stopped by Thursday and Friday, which kept me busy all day.  Online sales were very strong Wednesday and Thursday night. Overall it was great week to sell to other dealers looking for inventory prior to HK and collectors online needing certain coins to fill gaps.  From a buying prespective the show was a disappointment, only bought on Tuesday morning during dealer set up and nothing else all show.  The supply of pandas is back on its multi year decline that started in 2012 with small bursts in 2015 and spring 2017.  The business of buying and selling is coming to an end, as the amount of new supply is so limited that it doesn't even warrant looking for coins.

The supply of bullion is at multi year highs, the word is many IRA holders are dumping to buy stocks, so the market is getting flooded with IRA friendly gold.  This is partly why 2017 gold and silver eagles sales are so bad at the Mint, plenty of prior year material to buy at lower premiums.

This year convinced me the tipping point is finally here, US show duration and numbers will decline in the years to come.  Online sales will lead the way to the future, so grading will become more important.  Also having multiple medals tied to the show will hopefully stop if collectors avoid the new issues, several customers from last year decide not to buy this year.

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2017, 09:19:01 PM »
What was the  show price of the mcm silver medal?

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2017, 10:03:41 PM »
I've been doing some research on show pandas, and it appears the prices for the modern pieces have slid considerably over time on most of them. A perfect example is the Anaheim 1 oz silver. I bought 1 PF70 for around 219.00 and I thought that was a good price. Then I went and looked at how much they are selling for on ebay. The mintage for the 1 oz is 2000.

We now have two dealers selling a variety of show medals from the Denver ANA. One has a mintage of 5000.  I imagine MCM's Denver medals should be selling for 70.00.  Anything higher, it appears I need to wait around 8-12 months and prices should decline? I'm happy I was able to come here and get an objective point of view on both sides of the coin. Thanks a lot!

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2017, 10:22:10 PM »
MCM silver were selling for $80 at the show and no line to buy them.

Last year 2016 ANA were selling for $100 at the show and you had to wait 30-120 minutes in line to buy them, then immediately you could flip them for $200 to MCM, then on ebay PF69 with the show release label they were selling for $300 and PF70 $500.  Today show release label PF69 are down to $95 and PF70 $185. 

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2017, 07:40:07 PM »
MCM silver were selling for $80 at the show and no line to buy them.

Last year 2016 ANA were selling for $100 at the show and you had to wait 30-120 minutes in line to buy them, then immediately you could flip them for $200 to MCM, then on ebay PF69 with the show release label they were selling for $300 and PF70 $500.  Today show release label PF69 are down to $95 and PF70 $185. 

where the buyers go?

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2017, 09:41:48 PM »
where the buyers go?

Based on comments I've heard, some are concerned about the 5,000 mintage.

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2017, 02:03:45 PM »
where the buyers go?

They're all buying bitcoin now.

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2017, 02:18:51 PM »
Interesting comment.  The top registry guy for gold pandas in 2007, is heavily buying bitcoins, he sold his gold panda collection in 2008 to me and recently I was talking with him and he was telling to load up on bitcoins.  I set up account and bought some ether and lite, but sold them already, may buy back if the price drops, I have limit orders in 40-50% below the current price.

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2017, 02:23:04 PM »
Interesting comment.  The top registry guy for gold pandas in 2007, is heavily buying bitcoins, he sold his gold panda collection in 2008 to me and recently I was talking with him and he was telling to load up on bitcoins.  I set up account and bought some ether and lite, but sold them already, may buy back if the price drops, I have limit orders in 40-50% below the current price.

Expect prices to move up dramatically during the months of August and September before pulling back in October. All the crypto currencies are highly correlated so they will move together, BTC, ETH, LTC.  It's quite possible we see $4-5K bitcoin, $500 ETH, and $100 LTC over the next 45 days. It has literally taken me away from gold/silver purchases. I started heavily accumulating bitcoin in January 2016 in anticipation of the halving event that took place last July.  Pullbacks can certainly retrace 40-50%.

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2017, 08:20:06 AM »
One of my small fry collector friends is out of MCC and into cryptocurrencies too.       Buying big time while prices are cheap but gamble risk is high......not all cryptocurrencies will survive........         strange world we live in...

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2017, 09:20:14 AM »
Coin collector or coin speculator?!!!
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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2017, 03:21:50 PM »
It is common to see people chase performance.  Back in late 2010 and early 2011 all these speculators came into the market and were buying indiscriminately, they just wanted to get invested quickly because prices would rise 10-20% a month.  Some did well and sold along the way, but many bought near the peak around september 2011 and sold at heavily discounted prices in the coming months to a year.  By mid 2012 speculators were all gone, moved on to something else.  I look forward to the day that speculators come back to the MCC market, they make cashing out decision easy.

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2017, 05:06:21 PM »
One week later and the price is up another $826.10.

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2017, 05:21:29 PM »
Most of the bitcoin volume is coming from Asia, Koreans loading up in case of conflict.  That is why in the last few days the other alt-coins didn't follow bitcoin up.  I think bitcoin is the new gold during times of instability, few months back gold and bitcoin were trading at parity, today one bitcoin buys 3.3oz of gold.

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2017, 09:53:45 PM »
Most of the bitcoin volume is coming from Asia, Koreans loading up in case of conflict.  That is why in the last few days the other alt-coins didn't follow bitcoin up.  I think bitcoin is the new gold during times of instability, few months back gold and bitcoin were trading at parity, today one bitcoin buys 3.3oz of gold.

I don't disagree with that but bitcoin volume has been traditionally been from the east anyway.  This site shows the flow of bitcoin and is pretty cool.  And it's actually volume in the US that is spiking.

http://fiatleak.com

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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2017, 12:09:52 AM »
Cool website.   I think most of the trades in Asia don't go through an exchange, they just go wallet to wallet, which I don't if the site tracks.  I am still learning what gets reported and what just moves among cold wallets.

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2017, 12:34:01 PM »
Interesting comment.  The top registry guy for gold pandas in 2007, is heavily buying bitcoins, he sold his gold panda collection in 2008 to me and recently I was talking with him and he was telling to load up on bitcoins.  I set up account and bought some ether and lite, but sold them already, may buy back if the price drops, I have limit orders in 40-50% below the current price.

so it seems china is banning bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies now. how is this going to affect those cryptocurrencies, as well as MCC?

https://www.coindesk.com/china-outlaws-icos-financial-regulators-order-halt-token-trading/

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2017, 05:41:33 PM »
Only ICOs are being banned, which is like IPO for stocks.  This ban should help bring more money into MCC.  We have perfect storm brewing in the MCC market:
1) rising gold due to N. Korea
2) rising RMB due to China tighter restrictions on fund flow, RMB has moved from 6.95 to 6.5 in 8 months, this a big move
3) ban on ICO, that is one less investment choice
4) non existent new supply in the US

The final trigger that could move the market is new orders for master sets, once those come in combined with the above factors we could see a strong move up. 

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2017, 09:19:56 PM »
Continual rumors of the Yuan tied to gold....When this happens, MCC and all Chinese coins/medals will go to the moon...

jsmineset  "China sees new world order with oil benchmark backed by gold."   from the Asian Review....

Kitco  "Golden Yuan; crude backed by gold is here."    from Market Slant...

many authors write about it now so it will go mainstream news soon.....some think it will happen before end of this year and others say next year or in 2 to 3 years......

N. Korea will cause gold/silver to jump up.     MCC supply maybe in Germany now....

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2017, 09:47:50 PM »
Please explain what it means to have oil backed by gold.  Many years ago, our currency was backed by gold or silver.  We could take our paper currency to a bank and receive gold or silver in exchange.  Will we be able to take a gallon or barrel of oil somewhere and receive some gold.  Will we pay for oil with gold?  Obviously, I do not have a clue.

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2017, 10:54:37 PM »

https://asia.nikkei.com/Markets/Commodities/China-sees-new-world-order-with-oil-benchmark-backed-by-gold?page=1

China is expected shortly to launch a crude oil futures contract priced in yuan and convertible into gold in what analysts say could be a game-changer for the industry.

The contract could become the most important Asia-based crude oil benchmark, given that China is the world's biggest oil importer. Crude oil is usually priced in relation to Brent or West Texas Intermediate futures, both denominated in U.S. dollars.

China's move will allow exporters such as Russia and Iran to circumvent U.S. sanctions by trading in yuan. To further entice trade, China says the yuan will be fully convertible into gold on exchanges in Shanghai and Hong Kong.

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2017, 11:08:38 PM »
Arif

Thanks for the information. 

Several years ago, I took a large stack of yuan / RMB to the coin market in Beijing and exchanged it for modern Chinese gold coins.  In the near future, I may be able to take another stack of yuan to Hong Kong and exchange it for some type of gold.  Hmmmm!  Obviously, I prefer gold bullion or coins over mere paper.

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2017, 08:58:34 AM »
This will have very negative effect on the USD and very positive for the Yuan.      IF/When the world converts to the Yuan then MCC and all Chinese will scream higher then keep on climbing.      After all China owns the US manufacturing/gold so they are wealthy while the US is flat broke thanks to corruption and short term huge profits for a few......
It is very wise today to own Chinese money before the mass sheeple herd wake up....

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Re: 2017 ANA Show Medals
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2017, 12:35:34 PM »
Back on topic, has anyone seen or purchased the 1oz gold medal distributed by Modern Coin Mart?  If so, how does it look?

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