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1.此幣種個人前後收集98枚皆為不同版.有相當證據證明當初上海造幣廠一版樣幣鋼模只造一枚樣幣.至於手中另有一版一枚費城造幣廠造鎳樣幣截圖保留暫不貼出.
2.此幣種正值減色降重的錢幣歷史.造幣的幣胚合金成色比例是如何?幣胚究竟是由費城造幣廠或是上海造幣廠製備.留待有心人繼續揭秘.
3.此幣種在正反兩面相同位置都設有共同防偽暗記.只要掌握此項特徵只需幾秒時間就能辨識錢幣真假.因此不管還有多少不同版別樣幣存世.辨識其真假也是易如反掌折枝.
4.造幣廠刻模技師的職責就是刻製造幣鋼模.並不存在沿用舊模及修模之說.如有需要必定是重刻造幣鋼模.
5.中國清朝時期造幣機器設備是向列強採購.也多委由列強刻製造幣樣幣鋼模.造幣受制於列強的憂患意識逼得清政府不得不著重本身造幣廠加強造幣防偽設計及自行刻製造幣鋼模的實力.因此現今對於當初委外承造樣幣與清政府自造樣幣的真假辨識就需要相當的實力.
1. The 98 coins collected by the individual before and after this currency are all different versions. There is considerable evidence to prove that the first version of the Shanghai Mint's sample steel mold only made one sample coin. As for the other version, a Philadelphia mint made nickel sample coin Screenshots will not be posted for the time being.
2. This currency is the history of coins that reduce color and weight. What is the color ratio of coin mint alloys? Is the coin embryo prepared by the Philadelphia Mint or the Shanghai Mint. It is left to those who are interested to continue to reveal.
3. This currency has a common anti-counterfeiting secret in the same position on both sides of the coin. As long as you master this feature, it can take only a few seconds to identify the authenticity of the coin. So no matter how many different versions of the coin exist in the world. Identify its true Fake is also easy to fold.
4. The duty of the mint carving technician is to engrave the coin steel mould. There is no such thing as using the old mould and repairing the mould. If necessary, it is necessary to re-engrave the coin steel mould.
5. During the Qing dynasty in China, the coinage machinery and equipment were purchased from the powers. Many commissions also made steel molds for sample coins from the powers. The mint was constrained by the powers of the great powers. The Qing government had to focus on its own mint to strengthen the anti-counterfeiting design and engrave itself The strength of manufacturing coin steel molds. Therefore, today it requires considerable strength to identify the authenticity of the outsourced sample coins and the Qing government's self-made sample coins.

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #236 on: June 12, 2020, 12:52:50 AM »
機制幣考古真相揭秘...1882光緒八年吉林廠平一兩

1.光緒八年吉林廠平一兩是中國人自行設計製造的第一枚機制銀幣
2.清朝造幣機器是向外國採購.造幣多有委託外國刻製造幣鋼模及試製樣幣供參考
3.此幣種文字與圖樣是由圓點與線條構成.文字邊銀幣樣板.齒邊樣幣及吉林將軍希元版廠平一兩都有不同的防偽暗記設計.
4.息肉狀暗記不顯突兀.又有中國兵法裏燈下黑的欺敵效果.相較吉林將軍希元版則有明顯的線條陽刻暗記.真假更能一目膫然.另在小圓點上則設計有掀蓋式暗記.近圓心處更有比針尖毫芒還要細小的蝕刻暗記.
5.只要細心比較圖文細節的造幣工藝精緻度.對錢幣真假的判斷自然不成問題.

The truth of mechanism coin archeology... 1882 Guangxu eight years Jilin Factory Ping one tael

1. In the eighth year of Guangxu, the Jilin factory was one of the first mechanism silver coins designed and manufactured by the Chinese themselves.
2. The Qing dynasty coinage machines were purchased from foreign countries. Most coinages have entrusted foreign countries to engrave coin steel molds and trial samples for reference
3. This currency text and pattern are composed of dots and lines. The silver coin template on the edge of the text, the sample coin on the tooth edge and the Jilin General Xiyuan Edition Factory have different anti-counterfeiting secret design.
4. Polyp-like secrets are not obtrusive. There is also the effect of black enemies under Chinese lamps in the art of war. Compared with the Jiyuan version of General Jilin, there are obvious lines with dark engravings. The true and false can be seen at a glance. On the top, there is a clamshell memo. There is a more etched memo than the tip of the needle near the center of the circle.
5. As long as you carefully compare the fineness of the coinage process with the details of the picture and text, the judgment of the authenticity of the coins is naturally not a problem.

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #237 on: July 22, 2020, 10:16:32 PM »
論壇首發...1914七分臉異配版...三版截圖共同暗記揭秘

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         袁像七分臉壹圓銀幣,根據正面有無簽字,可分有簽字《無版別記載》和無簽字《正配版和異配版》兩大版別。其中,無簽字者,又可根據背面嘉禾圖案的不同,分出正配版和異配版兩個支系。所謂正配版,幣背面嘉禾圖案與簽字版背圖通用,嘉禾與緞帶相對於異配版顯得比較細小;而所謂異配版,背面嘉禾與緞帶相較於正配版,顯得略為粗壯。袁世凱像七分臉壹圓銀幣,整體上均屬稀見品,其中尤以異配版稀見更甚。據著名錢幣學家馬定祥先生經驗,存世僅見兩枚。一枚為馬老所藏,另一枚過目後歸宿不明。
         
         無簽字版銀幣正面鋼模為淺模,人物清晰度不高,袁世凱像面部靠近鼻部和鬍鬚處有兩處微小的突起系鋼模本身的缺陷所造成的,也是鑑定無簽字版真品的重要特徵之一。
袁世凱「七分臉」作為試鑄呈樣用幣,實際並未正式發行。作為義大利雕刻師喬治(L.Giorgi)的作品,與袁世凱像共和及洪憲飛龍一樣,七分臉也有簽字版及無簽字版,存世數量稀少,皆為十分罕見,其中無簽字版更加罕見,均被錢幣藏家視為民國期間軍閥人像錢幣的大名譽品。

原文網址:https://kknews.cc/collect/knxkkqv.html

Forum debut...1914 Seven-Face Different Version...Three versions of screenshots shared secret secrets

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         Yuan Xiangqifen face one dollar silver coin, according to whether there is a signature on the front, it can be divided into two major versions, the signature "no version record" and the unsigned "proper version and different version". Among them, those without a signature can be divided into two branches, a positive version and a different version, according to the difference of the Jiahe pattern on the back. The so-called positive version, the Golden Harvest pattern on the back of the coin is the same as the back image of the signature version, and the Golden Harvest and the ribbon are smaller compared to the different version; the so-called different version, the Golden Harvest and the ribbon on the back appear slightly thicker than the positive version. . Yuan Shikai's seven-point face and one-yuan silver coin are rare on the whole, especially the heterogeneous version. According to the experience of Mr. Ma Dingxiang, a well-known numismatician, only two of them have survived. One is in the possession of Mr. Ma, and the fate of the other is unknown.
         
         The front steel mold of the unsigned silver coin is shallow, and the character is not clear. Yuan Shikai's face has two tiny protrusions near the nose and beard. It is caused by the defect of the steel mold itself. It is also important to verify the authenticity of the unsigned version. One of the characteristics.
Yuan Shikai's "Seven Faces" was used as a sample coin for trial casting, but it was not officially issued. As the work of Italian engraver L.Giorgi, like Yuan Shikai like Gonghe and Hong Xianfeilong, there are also signed and unsigned versions of the seven-point face. They are rare in the world, and the unsigned version is even rarer. , Are regarded by coin collectors as the great reputation of the warlord figure coin during the Republic of China.

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相同幣種不同版別間必定存在共同暗記方便辨識真假.這是機制造幣設計當初就考量到的防偽手段.

此幣種正背幣面皆設有共同暗記.並非截圖裏才有.刀鑿痕是辨識機制真幣的先決條件.

There must be a common secret between different versions of the same currency to facilitate the identification of true and false. This is an anti-counterfeiting method considered in the design of machine-made coins.

This currency has a common secret mark on the front and back sides of the currency. It is not only in the screenshot. The knife mark is a prerequisite for the identification of real coins.

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #238 on: August 11, 2020, 10:44:48 PM »
以前由於科技不夠發達.無法分辨相同幣種不同版別間的差異.因此許多幣種版別差異的文字論述從缺.也給了造假可乘之機.錢幣圖文臆造竟也被不學無術的唬爛者說成是孤品..讓不少私人藏家及公家博物館受害.
         拜科技之賜.現在已能看清錢幣幣面刀鑿痕的細微差異.相同幣種不同版別已經浮出檯面.機制造幣設計及防偽手法的規律性已能掌握.藉由共同暗記順藤摸瓜.錢幣真假的判斷已經不是難事.
         共同暗記是相同幣種的橫向聯繫.類似手牽手.手心的掌紋是一致的.只要你掌握了共同暗記.該幣種造假與臆造假幣立馬就能剔除.
           根據文字記載.1897至1899年6月止安徽銀元局一共造了600餘萬枚銀元.相當於有60餘版..1898即光緒二十四年是大宗.到目前為止.我收集1898總數是47版.包括戊戌安徽省造32版.二十四年安徽省造15版.這兩款文字面都有其各自的共同暗記.47版背龍圖面共同暗記皆一致.
          1874年福州船政成功有兩款雙龍面.即大清御賜金牌.大清御賜銀牌兩款.這兩款文字及圖樣設計刻模各有特色. 在龍鬚龍爪指的雕刻技法則雷同.兩款背面福州船政成功為不同版.但存在共同暗記的橫向聯繫.證明這兩枚兩款師出同門.而且是委外製造.不是清朝內務府搞的.
         另查 清朝在试制样币时,多采用铜,青铜,镍,铝等合金材料(注:《中国币图说汇考》18页耿爱德著) .為了驗證此言.我曾將吉字一兩.中字一兩.中外通寶關平銀壹兩送至銀樓驗證銀含量.每枚鑑測三次得數據再取其平均值.果真此三幣種銀含量低.三者銀含量平均值差異在1%以內.個人認為此舉是為增加樣幣硬度及避免氧化嚴重影響外觀.反觀現今造假幣者皆以足銀誆人.倒也提供真假立判的證據.
         研究錢幣就是找出對的錢幣驗證錢幣歷史.真幣不會孤獨.同樣存世在某地某人手裡.希望我發的圖帖.對某些人有所助益.即便今生無緣撿漏.也能幫您守住荷包.
         有圖自有真相...截圖另補...late  is   better  than  never.


In the past, due to underdeveloped technology, it was impossible to distinguish the differences between different versions of the same currency. Therefore, the textual discussion on the differences of many currency versions was lacking. It also gave opportunities for counterfeiting. The coinage graphics and texts were not learned. The bluffers of the technique are said to be orphans... many private collectors and public museums have been victimized.

Thanks to technology. Now it is possible to see the subtle differences in the chisel marks on the coin face. Different versions of the same currency have been surfaced. The regularity of machine-made coin design and anti-counterfeiting techniques can be mastered. By sharing the secrets, follow the vine. It is not difficult to judge whether the coin is true or false.

The common secret is the horizontal connection of the same currency. It is similar to holding hands. The palm prints on the palm of the palm are the same. As long as you master the common secret, the counterfeit and fake currency of the currency can be eliminated immediately.

According to written records, from 1897 to June 1899, the AN-HWEI Silver Dollar Bureau produced a total of more than 6 million silver dollars. This is equivalent to more than 60 editions. 1898, which is the twenty-fourth year of Guangxu. So far, the total number of 1898 I have collected is The 47th edition. Including the 32 editions made by戊戌 AN-HWEI Province in 1898. The 15 editions made by AN-HWEI Province in the 24th year. Both texts have their own common secrets. The 47th edition of the dragon-backed drawing has the same secrets.

In 1874, the Fuzhou Ship Administration successfully produced two double dragon noodles, namely, the Qing Dynasty Imperial Gift Gold Medal and the Daqing Imperial Gift Silver Medal. The text and pattern design of the two styles have their own characteristics. The carving technique of the dragon's claws and claws The same. The backs of the two Fuzhou Shipping Administration have successfully been different versions. But there is a horizontal connection that is secretly remembered. It proves that the two two models are out of the same door. And they are outsourced. It is not made by the Qing Dynasty Internal Affairs Department.

It is also found that alloy materials such as copper, bronze, nickel, aluminum, etc. were mostly used in the trial production of sample coins (Note: "Chinese Currency Illustrated Notes", page 18 by Geng Aide). In order to verify this statement, I have used auspicious characters吉字一兩.中字壹兩.中外通寶關平銀壹兩  are sent to the Yinlou to verify the silver content. The data obtained by each test three times and then the average value. If it is true, the silver content of these three currencies is low. The difference in the average silver content of the three is within 1% I personally think that this is to increase the hardness of the sample currency and avoid oxidation that seriously affects the appearance. On the other hand, all counterfeiters nowadays use pure silver. It also provides evidence of true and false judgments.

To study coins is to find out the right coins to verify the history of coins. Real coins will not be alone. They are also in the hands of someone in a certain place. I hope that the pictures and posts I posted will be helpful to some people. Even if  miss out in this life. Help you keep your purse.
         
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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #239 on: August 17, 2020, 10:32:27 PM »
機制幣考古真相揭秘.....1930上海中央造幣廠工竣紀念

此幣種防偽巧思如下.總歸一句..沒有瑕疵不成幣
1.缺馬齒.如同上海一兩依射線有無分兩版.其中一版缺馬齒.
2.假戳記.人像面.雙帆面皆有.
3.雙帆面邊道刻意方向性蝕刻
4.字體筆劃蝕刻.防偽效果持久.
5.審視機制特徵.刀鑿痕.立體感.防偽暗記.包漿漸層.
6.圖片庫目前無真幣圖片.

The archaeological truth of machine-made coins is revealed...commemorative of the completion of the Shanghai Central Mint in 1930

The anti-counterfeiting ingenuity of this currency is as follows. All in one sentence: there is no defect and no currency
1. Lack of horse teeth. Just like Shanghai one Tael divided into two editions according to whether there is ray or not. One of the editions lacks horse teeth.
2. Fake stamp. Portrait face. Double sail face.
3. Deliberately directional etching on the sides of the double sail
4. Font stroke etching. Long-lasting anti-counterfeiting effect.
5. Examine the characteristics of the mechanism. Knife and chisel marks. Three-dimensional effect. Anti-counterfeiting secret notes. Gradual coating.
6. There are currently no real currency pictures in the picture library.