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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #195 on: July 24, 2019, 04:44:18 AM »
論壇首發…112年來首見…國寶級截圖…...
 1907丁未雙龍一兩真相截圖…真假對照
1.   丁未雙龍一兩為中國近代銀元十大珍之首,堪稱國寶,百年難遇。
2.   假幣多過曬穀場的稻穀,查過圖片庫,名家說寶展示幣,全假。
3.   關於此幣種文字敘述、口述但稱海波紋者,全屬未見過真幣。
4.   見識防偽巧思及精湛雕工,一張截圖兩個字,足以掃除此幣種所有假幣。
5.   有不同意見的,歡迎把截圖放大貼上來,是驢是馬遛遛便知。

Forum starting... The first time in 112 years... National treasure screenshot...
1907  丁未雙龍一兩... true and false comparison
1.   Ding Wei Shuanglong is one of the top ten Chinese silver coins in modern times. It is called a national treasure, and it is a rare encounter in a hundred years.
2. Counterfeit money is more than the rice in the Sun Valley, check the picture library, the famous treasures show the coins, all fake.
3. Regarding the description and dictation of this currency, but the sea ripples, all of them have never seen real money.
 4. See the anti-counterfeit ingenuity and superb engraving, a screenshot of two words, enough to sweep out all counterfeit coins in this currency.
5.  If you have different opinions, you are welcome to put the screenshots up and down.

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幣界認為,“光緒銀幣丁未一兩是光緒年間未流通的樣幣之一,作為近代銀元“十大珍”之首,其精湛的工藝與收藏價值一直為世人驚歎,目前存世量極其稀少。它是中國銀本位貨幣制度精美的代表,為了體現滿清皇權制度在貨幣領域的權威,其設計製造者不計成本地進行了精美絕倫的設計。其藝術水準、防偽能力迄今沒有被超越。是被國內外集藏界公認的中國近代銀幣大珍品”。
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The currency circle believes that "one of the Guangxu silver coins is one of the uncirculated coins in the Guangxu period. As the first of the "Ten Treasures" of the modern silver dollar, its exquisite craftsmanship and collection value have always been amazed by the world. It is a beautiful representative of the Chinese silver standard currency system. In order to reflect the authority of the Manchurian imperial power system in the monetary field, its design and manufactureers have carried out exquisite design without cost. Their artistic level and anti-counterfeiting ability have not been surpassed so far. It is recognized as a large treasure of Chinese modern silver coins by the collections at home and abroad."

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #196 on: August 04, 2019, 06:49:57 PM »
論壇首發…1929孫中山正面西服禁止流通銀樣幣、試鑄樣幣共同暗記對照
1.   找出對的錢幣驗證錢幣歷史
2.   順藤摸瓜,史無前例的驚人發現。
3.   刀鑿痕的具體呈現有助於幣面瑕疵是造幣設計或後天損傷的判斷
The first session of the forum... 1929 Sun Yat-sen's frontal suit is forbidden to circulate silver sample coins, test casting coins and a common record
1. Find out the right coin to verify the coin history
2. Going to the ground. the Unprecedented discoveries.
3. The specific presentation of the knife and chisel marks helps the coin surface to be the coinage design or the judgment of the acquired damage.
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样币只铸造一枚或者数枚,其目的不参与流通属于进程样钱,让皇上或者管理人员过目看看是否合格的钱币样板,外表铸造精美材质精良,存世量极少,一般混不到流通领域,
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Only one or several pieces of sample coins are cast, and the purpose is not to participate in the circulation of process-like money. Let the emperor or the manager look at the qualified coin model. The appearance is exquisitely made of fine materials, and the deposit is extremely small. field,

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #197 on: August 07, 2019, 04:12:14 AM »
續上帖補圖….共同暗記對照
1.   一脈相承的防偽巧思與暗記佈局
2.   掌握機制真幣特徵刀鑿痕、立體感、防偽暗記、包漿漸層。
Continue to post on the map....Commonly remember
1. The same anti-counterfeit ingenuity and secret layout
2. Master the mechanism of the real currency features knife chisel marks, three-dimensional sense, anti-counterfeiting, and grouting.

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #198 on: August 07, 2019, 04:15:10 AM »
論壇首發……機制幣真假的進階常識
1.   機制真幣造幣鋼模是一比一比例手工刀鑿雕刻,不見刀鑿痕非真幣。
2.   具刀鑿痕錢幣分私版、官版兩種。
3.   私版為具造幣廠雕模技師背景所仿刻,錢文圖樣外觀或許相近,但防偽巧思、暗記佈局細節不夠周全,冷沖壓條件不足,非真幣。
4.   官版為造幣設計及雕模技師團隊分工合作,造幣條件充足,為真幣。
5.   官版真幣與私版假幣做微觀細節比對,就知兩者防偽暗記設計的豐富周全與細緻程度,存在極大的差異。
6.   初學機制幣,大都以評級入盒幣版式做為真幣參考,但隨著對掌握機制特徵實力的提升,發現私版假幣版式入盒不在少數,因此官版真幣的尋真探真是每位機制幣同好責無旁貸的使命。
Forum starter... advanced knowledge of mechanism currency true and false
1. Mechanism The real coin coin-making steel mold is a one-to-one ratio hand-knife chisel carving, no knife-cutting non-real coins.
2. There are two types of private and official versions of the knife and the chisel.
3. The private version is imitation of the background of the mint carving technician. The appearance of  pattern may be similar, but the anti-counterfeiting and intricate layout details are not comprehensive enough, and the cold stamping conditions are insufficient.
4. The official version is a division of labor for the coinage design and the team of carving technicians. The coinage conditions are sufficient and they are genuine coins.
5. The official version of the real coin and the private version of the counterfeit currency to do micro-level comparison, know that the rich and comprehensive design of the anti-counterfeiting and meticulous design, there is a great difference.
6. The beginner's mechanism currency is mostly based on the rating of the box currency as a real currency reference. However, with the improvement of the characteristics of the mastery mechanism, it is found that the private version of the counterfeit currency is not in a small number. Therefore, the authenticity of the official version of the real coin is Each mechanism currency is equally responsible for the mission.

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #199 on: August 16, 2019, 09:24:31 PM »
論壇首發....機制幣考古新發現
    • 1.玩藏機制幣的人都知道1894湖北銀元局造,湖北省造背本省光緒元寶七錢二分背龍圖英文字母S有斷筆與不斷筆的爭議,其實造幣防偽巧思有其延續性,當你找到1895湖北省造光緒元寶七錢二分真幣,這個爭議就不存在了.中國上海博物館藏有此幣種S斷筆與不斷筆兩種拓片,我看都是假的.
    • 2.中國民初錢幣大師馬定祥曾說湖北省造背本省幣種,兩個省字形神相合,自此錢幣造假也就依葫蘆畫瓢,搞出許多以假仿假的假幣.其實機制幣防偽是以最大變數亂數為原則.也就是說相同中英文字體筆畫會刻意搞成形神總不合,依我說,錢幣大師馬定祥沒見過此幣種真幣.
    • 3.湖北省造背本省幣種限湖北省內流通使用,依流通需求量前人皆說此幣種只存在唯一版式,這個說法個人認為是可信的.
    • 4.1877-1878湖南省造光緒元寶七錢二分,有一種版式是以湖北省造光緒元寶樣式只是把北字改成南字,這種湖南省造版式是假的.
    • 5.湖北省造光緒元寶,宣統元寶七錢二分兩幣種背龍圖中間火珠能發現旋紋設計版式.這也是防偽巧思之一.至於火珠旋紋起源於何時?及其延續歷程如何,從未見有人提及.機制幣圖文防偽巧思的延續性能幫助了解造幣演進過程無庸置疑.
    • 6.依我手中錢幣實物證據顯示,1877-1878英國伯明翰造幣廠受託湖南省造光緒元寶七錢二分幣模刻製,確曾參酌1894湖北省造背本省及1895湖北省造流通版的字形及防偽巧思.
    • 7.河南省造光緒元寶七錢二分背龍圖參酌湖南省造七錢二分背龍圖,只是兩者防偽設計不同,河南省造光緒元寶七錢二分造幣時程及造幣鋼模從何而來尚待有心人繼續考證.
    • 8.1894湖北省造背本省與1895湖北省造流通版,兩幣種字面錢文是不同版式的.這對玩藏機制幣愛好者而言,會是個晴天霹靂.可能需要收驚.
    • Forum debut.... mechanism coin archaeological discovery
     • 1. People who play the Tibetan currency know that 1894 Hubei Silver Dollar Bureau made, Hubei Province made the province Guangxu Yuanbao 7 MACE  AND  2  CANDAREENS back dragon figure English letter S has broken pen and constant pen controversy, in fact, coinage anti-counterfeiting ingenuity has its continuation Sex, when you find 1895 Hubei Province made Guangxu yuanbao 7 MACE  AND  2  CANDAREENS true coin, this controversy does not exist. The Shanghai Museum of China has this kind of currency S broken pen and constant pen two rubbings, I think it is fake.
     • 2. The Chinese national capital coin master Ma Dingxiang once said that Hubei Province made the province's currency, and the two provinces were in harmony with each other. Since then, the coin fraud has also been based on the gourd paintings, and many counterfeit counterfeit coins have been created. Anti-counterfeiting is based on the principle of maximum number of random numbers. That is to say, the same Chinese and English type of strokes will deliberately create a god that is always inconsistent. According to me, the coin master Ma Dingxiang has never seen this currency.
     • 3. Hubei Province's back-to-back province currency is restricted to circulation in Hubei Province. According to the circulation demand, the predecessors said that there is only a unique layout in this currency. This statement is personally believed to be credible.
    • • 4.1877-1878 Hunan Province made Guangxu yuanbao 7 MACE  AND  2  CANDAREENS, there is a layout is based on Hubei Province Guangxu Yuanbao style only to change the North word into a southern character, this Hunan Province is a fake version.
     • 5. Hubei Province Guangxu Yuanbao, Xuantong Yuanbao 7 MACE  AND  2  CANDAREENS two-dollar back dragon figure middle fire beads can find the swirl design layout. This is also one of the anti-counterfeiting ingenuity. As for when the fireball spine originated and its continuation How the history has never been mentioned. The continuation performance of the mechanism currency anti-counterfeiting ingenuity helps to understand the evolution of the coinage process without a doubt.
     • According to the physical evidence of the coins in my hands, the Birmingham Mint in 1877-1878 was entrusted to the Hunan Province to create Guangxu Yuanbao 7 MACE  AND  2  CANDAREENS. It has indeed considered the 1894 Hubei Province and the 1895 Hubei Province. And anti-counterfeiting.
     • 7. Henan Province made Guangxu yuanbao 7 MACE  AND  2  CANDAREENS back dragon map to participate in Hunan Province to make seven money two points back dragon map, but the two security design is different, Henan Province Guangxu yuanbao 7 MACE  AND  2  CANDAREENS coinage time and coinage steel mold from where I still have to wait for someone to continue to research.
    • 8.1894 Hubei Province, the back of the province and 1895 Hubei Province, the circulation version, the two-currency literal money is different layout. This is a blue sky for the fans of the game currency. It may need to be shocked.

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #200 on: August 17, 2019, 04:21:30 AM »
抱歉...上帖有兩處1877-1878筆誤應更正為1897-1898
Sorry... there are two 1877-1878 mistakes on the post that should be corrected to 1897-1898

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #201 on: August 24, 2019, 08:27:53 PM »
論壇首發...1895湖北省造光緒元寶七錢二分......流通版真相截圖
1.百餘年來沒有人能清楚見識此幣種真相.包括評級公司.尤其亞洲錢幣鑑定公司ACCA根本就認為機制幣沒有暗記.
2.我說蝕刻暗記是機制幣防偽的最基本配備.
3.高手看字識真假..看的就是筆畫上的防偽巧思與暗記佈局.
4.請仔細看清楚截圖筆畫及底板上的蝕刻暗記.相同幣種的不同版別防偽巧思及暗記佈局一定有其一致性..方便真假辨識.
5.如果錢幣文字型態平滑.一看就是連小學生都能搞出的字體.根本不須造幣設計.也不可能是真.
6.截圖湖字左下一細長蝕刻線是暗記無誤.造假難仿.一掬同情之淚.

Forum starting... 1895 HU-PEH Province made Guangxu yuanbao 7 MACE  AND  2  CANDAREENS... circulation version of the truth screenshot
1. For more than a hundred years, no one can clearly see the truth of this currency, including rating companies. In particular, ACCA, the Asian coin identification company, simply believes that the mechanism currency is not underwritten.
2. I said that etching is the most basic equipment for anti-counterfeiting.
3. The master sees the word true and false.. It is the anti-counterfeiting ingenuity and the secret layout on the stroke.
4. Please carefully read the screenshot strokes and the etching marks on the bottom plate. The different versions of the same currency have different consistency in the anti-counterfeit ingenuity and the underlying layout. Convenient for true and false identification.
5. If the coin type is smooth, it is a font that even a primary school student can produce. It does not need coinage design at all. It may not be true.
6. Screenshot The left and right slender lines of the 湖 are memorized. The fake is imitation. A tear of sympathy.

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #202 on: August 27, 2019, 04:09:12 AM »
論壇首發...1911宣統三年大清銀幣瘦字體三版...共同暗記揭秘
1.A版瘦字體背龍圖是反龍,B.C版瘦字體背龍圖是曲鬚龍
2.機制幣防偽巧思無處不在.包括幣面文字筆畫.圖樣.環珠.馬齒.邊道.底板都有可能設計防偽暗記.
3.此帖教你一眼辨識曲鬚龍真假.縱使今生無緣撿漏,也可立即遠離傻買評級入盒假幣的行列.
4.覺今是而昨非就是進步
5.附帶一提,Google圖片庫裏1804美國錢幣之王蓬髮女郎CLASS I,CLASS  II,CLASS III一看就知道是現代工藝品假幣,為何美國錢幣學會竟然沒有人提出質疑,這讓我高度懷疑美國錢幣學會對掌握機制特徵的能力.

      6.玩藏機制幣除了唬爛與傻買,還可以搞研究的.
      7.每當看一群人競標評級垃圾.就能深切領悟何謂知識就是財富.

Forum debut...1911 宣統三年大清銀幣  thin font three editions...common secrets secret
1.A version of the thin font back dragon figure is anti-dragon, B.C version of the thin font back dragon figure is Qu Xulong
2. Mechanism coin anti-counterfeiting ingenuity is everywhere. Including coin-faced strokes. Patterns. Ring beads. Horse teeth. Side roads and the bottom plate also  is possible to design anti-counterfeiting.
3. This post teaches you to recognize the true and false of Qu Xulong. Even if there is no chance to miss this life, you can immediately stay away from the stupid buy rating into the box of counterfeit coins.
4. It’s true today and it’s not progress yesterday.
5. Incidentally, in the Google Photo Gallery, the 1804 American Coin King CLASS I, CLASS II, CLASS III knows that it is a modern craft counterfeit currency. Why does the American Coin Society not even raise doubts? This makes me highly suspicious of the United States. The coin learns the ability to grasp the characteristics of the mechanism.

6. In addition to the smashing and silly buying, you can also do research.
7. Whenever you look at a group of people bidding for rating garbage, you can deeply understand what knowledge is wealth.

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #203 on: August 27, 2019, 04:10:33 AM »
圖片檔案太大超過限制.續上帖補圖

The image file is too large to exceed the limit.

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #204 on: September 02, 2019, 10:25:24 PM »
論壇首發....1804 USA coin king  截圖真假對照
1.機制真幣特徵不分國度.刀鑿痕.立體感.防偽暗記.包漿漸層
2.機制真幣造幣鋼模是由手工刀鑿刻製.圖文就該有手刻樣態.
3.兩枚對照的評級入盒假幣.圖文邊緣描黑線做舊凸顯立體.是最差勁的手法.兩枚假幣底板紋黑線刻意要呈現同版.但是老鷹的上啄與眼就露餡了..非機制假幣瑕疵各異..細看皆不同版.
4.比較手工刻製與現代工藝假幣文字筆畫差異
5.一葉知秋.此幣種評級入盒的不會有真幣
6.假幣的英文字體..非英語系國家..國小學童就學會了..毫無立體設計概念
7.我說高手看字識真假..不是唬爛的..

Forum starting....1804 USA coin king screenshot true and false comparison
1. Mechanism of genuine currency features regardless of country. Knife and chisel marks. Three-dimensional sense. Anti-counterfeiting secrets.
2. Mechanism The real coin coin-making steel mold is carved by hand knife. The graphic should have a hand-like pattern.
3. Two comparisons of the rating into the box of counterfeit coins. The edges of the graphic depicting the black lines are old and prominent. It is the worst way. The two black lines of the counterfeit currency are deliberately presented in the same version. But the eagle’s captain and eyes are exposed. The non-mechanical counterfeit currency is different.. Look at the different editions.
4. Compare the differences between hand-engraved and modern craft counterfeit currency strokes
5. 一葉知秋. There is no real currency in this currency rating.
6. English fonts of counterfeit coins.. Non-English speaking countries.. The primary school children have learned.. No stereoscopic design concept.
7. I said that the master knows the true and false words.. is not gorgeous..

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Re: 1911 China coin to see is to believe
« Reply #205 on: September 15, 2019, 07:38:46 PM »
論壇首發...1914英文簽字版嘉禾臉像
1.此枚錢幣是多年前入手.圖片則是當初賣家拍攝.
2.個人研究發現此幣種版式不只一種.文字設計呈現一致.
3.嘉禾臉像是否為幣模雕刻師意大利人L.GIORGI的自畫像.有心人不妨查察.
4.研究錢幣的心法.就是要觀察入微.

Forum starting...1914 English signature version of Jiahe face
1. This coin was started many years ago. The picture was taken by the seller.
2. Personal research found that this currency format is more than one. The text design is consistent.
3. Whether Jiahe's face is a self-portrait of the Italian model L.GIORGI of the coin engraver. Some people may wish to check.
4. Study the mind of the coin. It is to observe the micro.