Topic: 1911 China coin to see is to believe

[linlaujiou]

中外機制真幣共同特徵
1.刀鑿痕
2.立體感
3.防偽暗記
4.包漿漸層

[linlaujiou]

論壇首發…..1911站洋截圖…..真假對照
1.   平滑的幣面圖文，沒有真的可能。
2.   幣面瑕疵成因的分析，絕對有助於錢幣真假的判斷。
3.   大致相同大不同，判斷真假的線索就藏在細節裡。
4.   比較真假幣…刀鑿痕、立體感、防偽暗記、包漿漸層。
5.   教育是抑假揚真最根本的手段。

[linlaujiou]

論壇首發...長見識...

百一十年來首見1908....34年北洋造...俺取名為長尾鬼面龍....截圖分享

[Endeavour]

What are the characters on the top of the reverse? Do they translate to anything or is it a design feature?

[linlaujiou]

1.   為凸顯設計理念，刀鑿刻製鋼模造就的圖文暗記等邊際線條角度皆是深刻明確的。
2.   暗記是人為刻意設計造就含有智商成分的瑕疵，其存在常表現出無獨有偶的相對性、一致性、對照性，布局則隱含明示.暗示的善意提醒。
3.   幣面瑕疵成因的分析，究為先天設計造就，抑或後天磕碰劃戳等人為不經意或刻意造舊損傷，絕對有助於錢幣真假的判斷。
4.   錢幣外表的樣態，反映其存世歷經的滄桑，每枚真幣皆有其獨特的故事，它一如過往無私地對任何人坦白，靜待有心人去膫解。
5.   機制幣真假的辨識，有其一定的脈絡章法可依循，努力細部比對是研究錢幣唯一的捷徑。

[linlaujiou]

圖為1900庚子江南省造光緒元寶七錢二分截圖.
乃2016.01.15與奉天癸卯一兩等共10枚同時入手.

[Endeavour]

What are the characters on the top of the reverse? Do they translate to anything or is it a design feature?

Never mind, if anyone was wondering like me what the 4 characters above mean, it's Manchurian, the first two characters being the Emperor's name and the last two being the third year of his rule.

[linlaujiou]

1.已如前述.平滑的幣面圖文沒有真的可能.
2.幣面圖文看不出任何智商成分的防偽設計.必假無疑.
3.真幣特徵.刀鑿痕.立體感.防偽暗記.包漿漸層.

[linlaujiou]

1.   真假細部對照
2.   評級假幣圖樣來自www.coin007.com/bbs/read.php?tid=29455
3.   假幣入盒正在造就錯誤的錢幣歷史
4.   有識之士自當勇於撥亂反正.

[linlaujiou]

1934中華蘇維埃共和國川陝省造幣廠造壹圓銀幣截圖
1.附圖A版截圖中此幣種防偽共同暗記何處有？
2.先考驗眼力，B版截圖對照……另補。
3.遙想當年紅色政權第五次反圍剿人力物力維艱，紅軍幣發行照樣設有防偽共同暗記。

[linlaujiou]

1.   紅框標示4處蝕刻防偽共同暗記，其餘請自行參照比對。
2.   機制幣製作、鑑定皆有一定的章法脈絡可依循。
3.   防偽暗記是人為刻意設計的瑕疵，以蝕刻、陽刻的方式表現在幣面邊道、馬齒、圖文、底板等處無所不在。
4.   幣面欠缺智商成分的防偽暗記………幣假無疑。

[linlaujiou]

附圖出自..
https://goods.ruten.com.tw/item/show?21825240005155#
【評級假幣】雲南省造光緒元寶庫平七錢二分新雲南銀幣ACCA XF45
https://tw.bid.yahoo.com/item/七錢二分光緒元寶新雲南省造壹枚金盾PCGSVF鑑定幣-100385957607
雲南省造新龍真相揭秘－－－
1.   真假差異藏在細節裡，刀鑿痕－刻模、立體感－雕工、防偽暗記－智商、包漿漸層－歲月。
2.   真幣包漿漸層差異可小至單一刀鑿痕，與假幣人為做舊大面積呈現同色調有天壤之別。
3.   真幣圖文蝕刻處邊際明確耐磨滅，真相持久。
4.   真幣放大，刀鑿痕雕工依舊生動精采。假幣放大，看糊。
5.   新龍字面滿文漢字筆畫刀鑿痕、立體感蝕刻防偽設計多樣，假幣欠缺智商成分，多屬以假仿假字形臆造平庸，真假附圖對照……下回另補。

[dragondollar]

I don't understand why this user is not banned, they are actively spreading disinformation.

The 1934 dollars posted above are crude, obvious fakes.

Here is a nice original one for comparison:


As you can see, however crude the design and strike may be, the characters and design are sharp, and the planchet has the typical defects and raised hairlines of Red Army coinage.

Also, there is no "A版" or "B版", Szechuan-Shensi soviet dollars varieties are identified by the style of the stars on the reverse. The coin above is a Y513.5, which has large solid stars. Its obverse is actually the same than the rarest variety, the Y513 with large, decorative stars.

You can compare the Y513.5:
http://www.dragondollar.com/coins/chinese-soviet-republic/red-october/

With the Y513:
http://www.dragondollar.com/coins/chinese-coins-2/communist-china-szechuan-shensi-soviet-dollar/

(
btw, in case this fraudulent user tries to assert his crude fakes are real and my coins are not good, my Y513 is the plate coin in the reference book for Chinese communist currencies, and was chosen by NGC to illustrate the Y513 type :
https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/china-early-soviet-szechuan-shensi-soviet-dollar-y-513-1934-cuid-1045675-duid-1291549
)

[linlaujiou]

YOU  SAY~~~
Also, there is no "A版" or "B版", Szechuan-Shensi soviet dollars varieties are identified by the style of the stars on the reverse. The coin above is a Y513.5, which has large solid stars. Its obverse is actually the same than the rarest variety, the Y513 with large, decorative stars.
此外，沒有“A版”或“B版”，Szechuan-Shensi蘇維埃元的品種都被反過來的星星風格所識別。上面的硬幣是Y513.5，有大的實心星。它的正面實際上與最稀有的品種Y513相同，它們帶有大型裝飾星。
                                                                                                                                                                         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I  SAY~~~ YOUR  TWO  COINS  NOT   THE   SAME   TYPE.

[linlaujiou]

續前帖補圖……教你如何一眼識真假
1.老話一句，平滑的幣面圖文沒有真的可能。
2.蝕刻暗記是機制幣防偽的基本配備。
3.環珠造型也是表現雕工、防偽的舞台。
4.留意圖文筆觸與其周遭底板刀鑿痕的延續表現。
5.附圖庫字、緒字防偽巧思。
N年前，林杯在中國錢幣論壇就留下兩句話~~~~~
1.高手單看字就能識真假。
2.不懂裝懂，早晚會鬧笑話。
Continue to post the map... teach you how to see the true and false
1. As the old saying goes, smooth coin graphics are not really possible.
2. Etching and memorization is the basic equipment for anti-counterfeiting of mechanism coins.
3. Ring bead shape is also a stage for performing engraving and anti-counterfeiting.
4. Intentional strokes and continuation of  the knives of the floor knives.
5. Attached to the 庫 word, the緒 word anti-counterfeiting ingenuity.