Author Topic: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide  (Read 5208 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline ccl

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Karma: 7
    • Chinese Coins Live, LLC.
A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« on: November 07, 2016, 05:10:53 PM »
As many of you know, the Chinese Coins Guide is our breakthrough PDF price guide which leverages our unprecedented archive of Chinese coin sales data from 104 different auctioneers and marketplaces in a convenient and visually appealing digest.

Only Chinese Coins Live has the latest sales from around the world as they happen.

Now we have gone past 10,000 sales in the last rolling 30 days and expect this to become our new benchmark with our recent expansion beyond MCC into circulating as well as imperial and republic Chinese coins.

Never miss a sale or auction again. Chinese Coins Live IS the only place to really know the true value of a coin based on historical and current market data. It pays to be in the know.

This edition of the Chinese Coins Guide is for MCC only, with no sales from last 10 days. Our online platform is where you'll find the latest sales based on your license type.

A number of firsts:

+ click any price and you'll be taken to the sale page in your browser! - (ebay sales over 100 days generally excluded as they expire them around this time)

+ click any NGC Census or PCGS Population link to see the current status of coins graded

+ images for every coin

Never before on CCF, we attach a look inside. This is page 70 of 71 of our most recent November 2016 Chinese Coins Guide. The User Guide is also attached.

A few pointers:

- There is a key at the top to understand the abbreviation for the marketplace/ auctioneer.

- Sale date is expressed in how many days ago it took place, where 12d would mean the sale happened 12 days ago from date of issue.

- Some of the coins on this page are usually sold as a part of a two coin set.

_____________


If there is a specific coin or medal you'd like us to add to the Chinese Coins Guide, drop me a PM. It's easily done, all MCC are on our site anyway.

The Guide is $9.95 on it's own or free with any CCL license.

_____________

Auctioneers and marketplaces covered include:
Zhao Online, eBay, Heritage, Champion Hong Kong Auction, Seized Assets Auctioneers, YJZX, Collectors Auction House, Gaston & Sheehan, Great Collections, Gulfcoast Coin & Jewelry, Monetarium Auctions, Doyle New York, Jackson's Auction, Beijing ChengXuan Auctions Co., China Guardian Auctions, Poly International Auction Co., China Treasures Auction, ChongYuan Auctions, Hosane, Fuchin Coin Auctions, Rarehouse Auction Ltd., Kuenker, DF Auction, Xiling Yinshe Auction Co., China Legend Auction Co., HXGQW Auctions, Stacks Bowers, Baldwin's (HK), Spink, Stephen Album Rare Coins, Numismatica Genevensis, Shanghai Oriental Auction Co. (+ 72 more!).

Offline ccl

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Karma: 7
    • Chinese Coins Live, LLC.
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2016, 05:11:44 PM »
User Guide

Offline pandamonium

  • Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2162
  • Karma: 34
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2016, 07:28:39 PM »
CCL, is it possible to find one MCC that maybe up for sale in various auctions?     See photo for example.   1994 World Cup Football 3.3 oz silver.    Just curious about it as i never see it on ebay.   Asian dealer told me they see it maybe twice a year.    Probably not rare but also not popular so maybe it is semi rare?........  (CCL is a very good program and i recommend it to others)....

Offline ccl

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Karma: 7
    • Chinese Coins Live, LLC.
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2016, 08:53:03 PM »
Hello Pandamonium, thanks for your question and recommendation.

The census of 3 on the NGC report indicates that it is very rare.

There could be an uncategorized sale that we have somewhere. Let me know if you have any sales of record and I'll take a look.

We are beginning beta testing for advanced coin recognition set up for the COINS IN AUCTION page (items in auction around the world right now, as structured data).

Soon (<2 months), I'll write back when this is pushed live and can confirm that if this piece becomes available - we'll pick it up.

Offline pandamonium

  • Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2162
  • Karma: 34
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2016, 08:00:01 AM »
My hunch is this big World Cup silver is a "Dislike MCC" and melted.    I doubt Chinese would want to collect a big silver w/ USA map on reverse and no mention of China.     Other "Dislike MCC" may be the Sino Japan series.      Maybe Unloved is better than Dislike.    Should there be a list of MCC similar in low popularity = melt, as they could be rare today?........

Offline ccl

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Karma: 7
    • Chinese Coins Live, LLC.
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2016, 12:03:55 PM »
I think you are right on

Offline pandamonium

  • Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2162
  • Karma: 34
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2016, 07:01:03 PM »
Here is a odd ball MCC that may not be on your site.    1992 PF 69 UC Taiwan Military Intelligence Bureau 60th Anniversary - Official Mint Medal silver      NGC 4326096-023     NGC 1 pop?     If i remember correctly NGC has other Taiwan silver Official Mint medals.      Have read nothing about these medals.....

Offline ccl

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Karma: 7
    • Chinese Coins Live, LLC.
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2016, 07:08:31 PM »
There are no plans to bring in Taiwanese coins/medals

Offline pandamonium

  • Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2162
  • Karma: 34
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2016, 06:54:33 AM »
I believe, and was told, they are China and Official Mint Medals.    Take another look at them.    Taiwan is also Dislike MCC.     Why is it labeled Official Mint Medal by China?   Am i wrong?.....There are a few other Taiwan on NGC's site......

Offline pandamonium

  • Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2162
  • Karma: 34
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2016, 07:51:40 AM »
Sent email to NGC about this Taiwan silver.   Hopefully they can respond soon and clear this up........


CCL, you know MCC.   Here is a on going debate and i emailed NGC many times about this.   It should be on their review list.    1980 PF65 Shou Xing 36mm    4216986-017   NGC pop 5?       1987 PF 69 Shou Xing 40mm     3801749-011     NGC pop 117?
I read there is NO difference between the two.    36mm  vs  40mm?        Could the difference be a mint mark or reeding edge type or ?........What information can you dig up about this silver Shou Xing?    IF the 1980 is different from the 1987 then it would make a big difference.    There are also other years assigned to this silver Shou Xing so it could be a label problem.    It is up to NGC to give a official response but many collectors/dealers have inside knowledge too so it makes sense to post it.........Any information out there?.....

Offline ccl

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Karma: 7
    • Chinese Coins Live, LLC.
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2016, 01:58:48 PM »
I don't know. I cropped the images, and there might be a difference on his staff.

We have lots of sales for: 1987 PF 69 Shou Xing 40mm     3801749-011     NGC pop 117
none for the other.

Do you see anything?

Offline pandamonium

  • Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2162
  • Karma: 34
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2016, 07:17:15 PM »
Good photos and details.    Will be interesting to see what NGC says.    For now the 1980 looks very rare.    Last 1980 i saw for sale was a PF 69 about a year ago.    Was it Lucklymoney or Dragonzeng in China had a PF 70 for sale about $18,888 if i remember correctly.    Clark Smith sold a PF 69 a year or two ago also.....

Offline pandamonium

  • Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2162
  • Karma: 34
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2016, 07:43:06 PM »
I went to LBC to find more information:      Dragonzeng had a PF 69 and the PF 70 $28,888.    Clark Smith PF 69 4263215-001   photos should be on his site.   The Shou Xing also had (1) 1990  3623907-011       Various dates look like a mislabel but the 1980 could be different......

Offline pandamonium

  • Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2162
  • Karma: 34
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2016, 03:27:42 PM »
Pete or beethenovie;    Here is the topic, it does not take a college degree to go to the search box and type in "a peek inside the chinese coin guide"......

Offline pandamonium

  • Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2162
  • Karma: 34
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2016, 05:36:17 PM »
CCL, maybe this is a bad question but why the extreme high asking price of this empire silver?     (au3000 is not the listing agent)    Ebay 142145576398   1924 20 cent MS 64 Kwangtung silver $5,999                  Could a auction in Asia receive a high price?   (just a listing error which i think it is)......rare variety?.....if anyone knows it would be you......thanks....

Offline ccl

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Karma: 7
    • Chinese Coins Live, LLC.
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2016, 08:06:07 PM »
Pandamonium,

I see Chinese Coins Live has five sales for this piece. Note: these coin types are not yet released on the site.

Most recent is an August 8th sale in NGC MS62 for 810.

A MS66 coin sold for 1380 in 2006.





Offline pandamonium

  • Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2162
  • Karma: 34
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2016, 09:10:41 PM »
Thank you.    I did not know they sold that high, $810 & $1,380 for small silver.     I think i own a UNC or two picked up a year or two ago for $5 to $10 each.   Guess it pays to grade them.    Wonder if supply of small silver Empire is depleting.    Emailed the seller too and asked why his price was almost $6k, waiting for response.........

Offline Honus

  • Supporter
  • Trade Count: (+4)
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 445
  • Karma: 38
    • Anvil Fine Wares
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2016, 04:21:24 PM »
I regret that I have to post here, but I don't believe I have a choice.  I have repeatedly asked CCL to stop emailing me - I did not sign up, I did not personally give my email address (I assume it was gathered from this forum or our company website), and I have used the "unsubscribe" link at the bottom of the emails and chosen the "stop all emails" option but the emails continue.   This is going to go one of two ways - you're either going to heed this request and stop emailing me now, or I'm going to continue to post this message repeatedly and everyone on this forum is going to see it.   You are welcome to privately message me to follow up on this request.
Eric Liquori
Anvil Fine Wares
www.anvilfinewares.com

Offline ccl

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Karma: 7
    • Chinese Coins Live, LLC.
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2016, 04:55:37 PM »
Eric, if you had done as you say, you would not be receiving the email.

PM me your email address and I'd be happy to remove you.

Offline ccl

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Karma: 7
    • Chinese Coins Live, LLC.
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2016, 04:56:45 PM »
nevermind, I found your email. The first and only time you unsubscribed was today. Nothing for me to do.

Offline Honus

  • Supporter
  • Trade Count: (+4)
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 445
  • Karma: 38
    • Anvil Fine Wares
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2016, 10:36:58 PM »
nevermind, I found your email. The first and only time you unsubscribed was today. Nothing for me to do.

Wrong, Richard.  Just because you failed to recognize previous requests doesn't mean they didn't happen.  I'm a patient guy, but I will not have you imply that I'm either lying or confused, and I surely have better things to do with my time than come here and tell stories. 

Of course, all of this leaves aside the fact that you harvested our company email address to send unsolicited sales emails without permission.   I'll repeat that for anyone that missed it - I DID NOT SIGN UP FOR THESE EMAILS IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND I CERTAINLY DID NOT SIGN UP TO HAVE OUR COMPANY EMAIL SOLICITED REPEATEDLY AND IRRESPECTIVE OF MULTIPLE REQUESTS TO STOP.

Word of advice, Richard, from one businessman (who also makes his living online and via email) to another...given that you're not denying harvesting our email address and sending unsolicited sales emails without prior permission, your best move was an apology.  We share this forum together - all you had to do was send a private message here on CCF and ask if I'd like to receive information about CCL.  To harvest our email and do so unsolicited is unethical.   
Eric Liquori
Anvil Fine Wares
www.anvilfinewares.com

Offline ccl

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Karma: 7
    • Chinese Coins Live, LLC.
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2016, 11:16:06 PM »
Honus, I'll say it again.

The first and only time you unsubscribed was today.

It's really that simple. Were there any chance of something else being a factor, then I would not speak with such authority on this matter.

Your prolonged inconvenience is a regret, yet in the absence of you sending an email or unsubscribing like you finally did today, we are none the wiser and can't take the required action.

Regards,




Offline Honus

  • Supporter
  • Trade Count: (+4)
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 445
  • Karma: 38
    • Anvil Fine Wares
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2016, 11:50:30 PM »
Honus, I'll say it again.

The first and only time you unsubscribed was today.

It's really that simple. Were there any chance of something else being a factor, then I would not speak with such authority on this matter.

Your prolonged inconvenience is a regret, yet in the absence of you sending an email or unsubscribing like you finally did today, we are none the wiser and can't take the required action.

Regards,


Wrong again - the first and only time YOU ACTED ON MY REQUEST was today.  I've requested to be unsubscribed multiple times, by clicking the link at the bottom of your emails and choosing "unsubscribe from all emails" from the drop-down list.  I don't care how many times you want to tell me the Earth is flat - that won't make it so.  You can pretend I didn't request removal multiple times, that doesn't make it so.  It's really that simple.  The authority with which I speak on the matter is an unpleasant recollection of the multiple times I had to do the same thing over and over.  

As for taking required action, how about taking responsibility for the fact that I SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO UNSUBSCRIBE EVEN ONCE FROM A LIST I DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR AND WHICH YOU PUT ME ON WITHOUT MY PERMISSION.   In my business, we send emails all the time for our products and promotions - would you like to know why you've never received one?  BECAUSE IT WOULD BE UNETHICAL FOR ME TO HARVEST YOUR EMAIL FROM YOUR WEBSITE WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION.  That is called "spam".   It's disrespectful of peoples' time to do it at all - it's doubly disrespectful to do it to those with whom you share a forum.  

I can tell you I've had to unsubscribe at least 3 times, and you can tell me it's all a figment of my imagination, but that won't change the fact that we shouldn't be having this exchange in the first place because I never should have had to unsubscribe at all.  
Eric Liquori
Anvil Fine Wares
www.anvilfinewares.com

Offline ccl

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Karma: 7
    • Chinese Coins Live, LLC.
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2016, 12:38:06 AM »
We connected on Linkedin 2-7-2015. I invited you and you accepted.

Yes, I added you to the mailing list with your publicly visible email and contact info there (given a shared niche interest we have).

Offline Honus

  • Supporter
  • Trade Count: (+4)
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 445
  • Karma: 38
    • Anvil Fine Wares
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2016, 09:29:56 AM »
So because I accepted your Linkedin invite 22 months ago, which gave you access to my non-public email, I have only myself to blame for this.  Ok, I can move forward and learn from this.
Eric Liquori
Anvil Fine Wares
www.anvilfinewares.com

Offline pandamonium

  • Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2162
  • Karma: 34
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2016, 10:50:32 AM »
CCL, i signed up for a free 30 day trial but cannot move forward.   It keeps saying to "select a plan".   I tried to do that but i am lost.   Is my password wrong?.....................have recommended your site to many......

Offline ccl

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Karma: 7
    • Chinese Coins Live, LLC.
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2016, 11:12:28 AM »
Hi Pandamonium, once logged in, visit:
https://www.chinesecoinslive.com/pricing to checkout with the desired service level. This will ensure the correct upgrade from your expired trial account.

If you need to reset your password, please do so here:
https://www.chinesecoinslive.com/my-account/lost-password

If none of this achieves what you are trying to, please PM me on CCF or open a support ticket (must be logged in to CCL) - https://www.chinesecoinslive.com/support


Offline ccl

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 305
  • Karma: 7
    • Chinese Coins Live, LLC.
Re: A Peek Inside: The Chinese Coins Guide
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2017, 09:28:19 AM »
January 2016 editions going out to subscribers today.