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I have a 1983 brass panda in my collection which has a rather strange colour, but the details on the coin seem correct to me. However, I would appreciate the expert opinion of fellow collectors on this forum.

Have you ever seen brass 1983 pandas with a similar appearance? Does it seem genuine to you??

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Re: Brass panda 1983. Strange colour, but details seem correct to me.
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2016, 04:59:01 PM »
Because of issues arising from camera color separation and white balance can you confirm the actual color of the coin. Is it a reddish hue, greenish etc? Please clarify. Finally how was the coin stored? I am sure expert opinion is forthcoming here.
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Re: Brass panda 1983. Strange colour, but details seem correct to me.
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2016, 05:52:48 PM »
The photos give a fairly accurate representation of the colour. When I aquired the coin from a Norwegian coin collector, it was stored in a hartberger.

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Re: Brass panda 1983. Strange colour, but details seem correct to me.
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2016, 05:54:26 PM »
The panda side has a red-brown hue. The other side a more normal brass colour.

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Re: Brass panda 1983. Strange colour, but details seem correct to me.
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2016, 08:17:22 PM »
The difference in color changes on the two sides may be due to a differential exposure to whatever agent that led to the changes in the first place. This is not doublespeak! It is possible that one side was more protected than the other side. That is why I was asking how the coin was stored. The coin is not bimetallic AFAIK.

Normally, these coins develop a greenish yellow patina with time and poorly preserved ones may develop black spots. But I haven't seen one with a reddish hue like yours, especially on one side.

I have not yet looked at mine to compare the mint characteristics with yours. But from a brief look at yours it looks like the real thing but I'll confirm later unless someone does so before me.

If one was to produce a fake it would be the 1985 coin that would provide more returns to the counterfeit specialist. These coins were virtually given away as gifts. Only that they did not run the full mintage of the 1985 coin after ?market testing the first ?15-100 coins minted.
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Re: Brass panda 1983. Strange colour, but details seem correct to me.
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2016, 08:35:10 PM »
I have owned a fair number of them and yes even in Omp sealed they oxidize ,the original Omp coins where in capsules then in the pvc standard plastic pouch I have one somewhere I will dig it out and take some photo,s it is rare to find them not oxidized in some fashion I had a 1983 which was the coolest purplish color it was graded by NGC " environmental damage" but looked really cool ...kinda sorry I sold it :(  the coin pictured is genuine     

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Re: Brass panda 1983. Strange colour, but details seem correct to me.
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2016, 08:47:06 PM »
as i said even in sealed omp they oxidize

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Re: Brass panda 1983. Strange colour, but details seem correct to me.
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2016, 10:27:55 PM »
Find attached photos of the graded (NGC PF69) 1983 1 Yuan Proof Brass Panda Coin.
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Re: Brass panda 1983. Strange colour, but details seem correct to me.
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2016, 12:09:14 AM »

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Re: Brass panda 1983. Strange colour, but details seem correct to me.
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2016, 12:19:54 AM »
Thanks Poconopenn for the pointers. If fake it most likely means the metal used had a different composition hence the reddish hue but the other side of the coin was not reddish. Do you have any thoughts on why the color changes on each side of the coin are different? Thanks for info.
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Re: Brass panda 1983. Strange colour, but details seem correct to me.
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2016, 01:49:59 AM »
I add a couple of photos taken With a better camera:

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Re: Brass panda 1983. Strange colour, but details seem correct to me.
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2016, 05:56:10 AM »
Nice coin KOT!!  I am going to send that OMP 1983 to NCS then to grading I am extremely curious to see if they can get it conserved to 69 .....:) one can hope .. I had a 1983 in a panda america coin card I have bought a few in this promotional presentation ,it almost looks like a birthday card with a photo of a Panda on the front ,I sent it to NCS and it graded pf70 ultra .... one of 2 or 3 graded that high ,at the time it was the only one ..I sold it in a trade 3 years ago or so for the equivalent of 5k to someone who had to have it .... probably the best deal I ever stumbled on.:) I paid 200 for the coin... Once in a lifetime pure luck!! 

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Re: Brass panda 1983. Strange colour, but details seem correct to me.
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2016, 07:10:51 AM »
I add a couple of photos taken With a better camera:

The color changes on both sides of the coin are beginning to look similar. The rust colored hue is not something that I have seen so far on these coins. This suggests that Poconopenn's impression may be right. ?ferrous content? The weight of the coin could help establish whether it is real or fake. Mine are in slabs but someone may have a non-encapsulated coin that can be weighed for comparison.
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Re: Brass panda 1983. Strange colour, but details seem correct to me.
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2016, 04:57:14 PM »
Thank you for the feedback. I don't have a very good scale, but my kitchen scale indicates a weight between 12 and 13 grams. As you can see from the last two photos I posted, the coin has fine details in both the fur of the panda and the leaves. If this is not a genuine coin, I am indeed surprised (and a little scared) by the deceptive high quality details.

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Re: Brass panda 1983. Strange colour, but details seem correct to me.
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2016, 10:10:49 PM »
Thank you for the feedback. I don't have a very good scale, but my kitchen scale indicates a weight between 12 and 13 grams. As you can see from the last two photos I posted, the coin has fine details in both the fur of the panda and the leaves. If this is not a genuine coin, I am indeed surprised (and a little scared) by the deceptive high quality details.


Hi, relax and enjoy the world of MCC! Although I am not an expert in coins from any part of the world I have to tell you that the adventure of MCC collection most likely beats others or ranks very high in terms of what you discover and experience. There is so much that is unknown and to learn!

Don't throw this coin away. Don't even send it for conservation or grading yet. Just start researching this and other coins in the series. You will be amazed at what you could stumble upon. Just take your time and enjoy, IMHO!

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