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Yuan Shih Kai (Fatman Dollar ) with Soviet Chop
« on: January 21, 2016, 09:46:54 AM »
Hi Everyone,

I would like to seek help from member here to give some opinion on this topic Soviet Chop on YSK silver dollar. Recently I acquired this coin to learn more although many links suggested his fake . To me I would like to know is the coin geniune or not...The chop does not matter to me ...I treat as counterstamp. In the market do there exist real coin chop with soviet wording? Or the coin is not genuine at all.

The coin with following specification

 Diammeter = 39.45mm
 Thickness = 2.3 mm
 Weight 26.68g

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Re: Yuan Shih Kai (Fatman Dollar ) with Soviet Chop
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2016, 01:16:39 PM »
The coins is fake

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Re: Yuan Shih Kai (Fatman Dollar ) with Soviet Chop
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2016, 08:54:30 AM »
The coins is fake

Hi ,

Thanks for your comment !!!
You mean the coin or the counterstamp or both the chop and the coin also fake. Please englighten

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Re: Yuan Shih Kai (Fatman Dollar ) with Soviet Chop
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2016, 09:41:49 AM »
Hi ,

Thanks for your comment !!!
You mean the coin or the counterstamp or both the chop and the coin also fake. Please englighten

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Fatman Dollar with Soviet Chop never exists.

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Re: Yuan Shih Kai (Fatman Dollar ) with Soviet Chop
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2016, 08:23:54 PM »
Based many research from numismatic scholars, most of them believe that there are no this kind of chopmark in the period of Chinese Soviet Republic. This chopmark is actually made by coin dealers in that period aiming to sell them as high price to foreigners or people who like to seek novelty. At that time, these coins are treated as Counterfeit but now, we treat them as fantasy coin.

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Re: Yuan Shih Kai (Fatman Dollar ) with Soviet Chop
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2016, 12:34:46 AM »
Hi pitcoinchaser,

Thank you very much for your information.. If this type of coin send to NGC or PCGS will they grade them as FANTASY coin or counterfeit coin. Do any one here have see any graded of this type of Soviet chop coin ..

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Re: Yuan Shih Kai (Fatman Dollar ) with Soviet Chop
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2016, 12:34:57 AM »
Will be counterfeit

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Re: Yuan Shih Kai (Fatman Dollar ) with Soviet Chop
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2016, 10:28:17 AM »
Thankyou very much !!!!

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Re: Yuan Shih Kai (Fatman Dollar ) with Soviet Chop
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2016, 07:08:37 AM »
Saw several being sold on Ebay though.

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Re: Yuan Shih Kai (Fatman Dollar ) with Soviet Chop
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2016, 03:46:38 AM »
 Hi Little Finger,

Can attach the Ebay link which selling yuan Shih Kai Fatman dollar with soviet chop ..

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Re: Yuan Shih Kai (Fatman Dollar ) with Soviet Chop
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2017, 05:47:40 PM »
The Communist "Soviet" Chinese period of coinage is very confusing. I've studied this area of numismatics for at least 25 years and NOBODY really knows a lot of the details. The Soviet Chinese are definitely known to have counterfeited YSK 'Fatman' dollars up until their ultimate take over in 1949. They needed good silver to exchange for war materiel and food, etc. Today of course everything is faked in China. What you want to know is if a coin is worth something or not. I have an 'authentic' Soviet C/S YSK and I also bought a modern fake to compare the difference, they are usually easy to tell apart. Soviet and Nationalist era FANTASY coins are still very collectible. Your example above would be considered a fantasy and contemporary with the Soviet period - not a modern fake. The Soviets wanted good metal to maintain their reputations as trusted traders. Nationalists who caught merchants with SOVIET countermarks were immediately executed. So I never bought the story that a jeweler (or his assistant) manufactured these for sale in Shanghai. You can see a full range of SOVIET coins in my Moneta Museum:  http://www.moneta-coins.com/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=630
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Re: Yuan Shih Kai (Fatman Dollar ) with Soviet Chop
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2017, 06:24:34 PM »
Great information, Thank you