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Kiangnan 1898 Dollar Broken Manchu
« on: November 21, 2015, 10:47:52 AM »


Is this any variety or a fake?

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Re: Kiangnan 1898 Dollar Broken Manchu
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2015, 09:20:53 PM »

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Re: Kiangnan 1898 Dollar Broken Manchu
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2015, 11:24:07 PM »


Is this any variety or a fake?

I am not aware such variety mentioned in any book.

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Re: Kiangnan 1898 Dollar Broken Manchu
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2015, 11:49:39 PM »
http://bbs.sssc.cn/thread-1984874-1-1.html

http://bbs.sssc.cn/thread-2045103-1-1.html

 :cursing: I dont understand a thing!

The author of these two articles may have a hidden agenda. The center coin in the 3-coin picture (first link) is definitely a low quality reproduction, not a variety. The difference sizes of Manchu characters in the center, as claimed by this writer is very hard to see. Usually the lines will be flatten when the coin is in F/VF condition.

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Re: Kiangnan 1898 Dollar Broken Manchu
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2015, 11:55:28 PM »
Kindly check the other link. The same author has posted 3 different coins of such variety.

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Re: Kiangnan 1898 Dollar Broken Manchu
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2015, 11:47:21 PM »
Kindly check the other link. The same author has posted 3 different coins of such variety.

The pictures in the second article are not good enough to see the surface details. However, IMO, all coins posted in this article are questionable, may not be genuine.

Usually the later stage “production die” expects to produce the coin with the tip of the lines becoming thicker, not disappeared. However, when the “master die” is in a later stage, the thin line will be faded away and disappeared. In any instant, the thick line, as in the Chinese character in this coin, is too thick to be totally disappeared as claimed by this author. There are many thin lines in this coin should be faded away before this thick line in the Chinese character.

All coins posted in the article are extensively polished to remove the bulged spots. Some of those bulged spots still can be seen, as shown in the attached pictures for two coins.

This 1898 Kiangnan silver dollar is relatively common. In order to make this coin to be more valuable, somebody may attempt to remove the part of the line in Chinese character and create a variety. Attached are pictures of enlarged section of the broken line Chinese character copied from coins in the article as well as the coin you posted. The pictures are not clear enough to show the exact broken spot and the surface details in the surrounding area. Nevertheless, IMO, the broken spot of the line in those coins may not be the same. 

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Re: Kiangnan 1898 Dollar Broken Manchu
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2015, 01:42:18 AM »
You may need to check this one too.

http://chengxuan.com/antiques/50059/search_page/


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Re: Kiangnan 1898 Dollar Broken Manchu
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2015, 04:34:09 PM »
You may need to check this one too.

http://chengxuan.com/antiques/50059/search_page/



The attached picture shows the broken line of Chinese character. IMO, the broken spot is different from the previous posted pictures. This picture has a better detail than previous pictures.

The following link is an article wrote by dragondollar, a longtime member of this forum, about 1898 Kiangnan dollar.

http://www.dragondollar.com/coins/tag/kiangnan-dollar/

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Re: Kiangnan 1898 Dollar Broken Manchu
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2015, 11:05:53 PM »
Do you agree that this is a new variety to be included under the kiangnan 1898 dollar?
In the dragondollar website, he had mentioned only about a broken manchu in the pearl scaled dragon variety.

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Re: Kiangnan 1898 Dollar Broken Manchu
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2015, 12:11:46 PM »
Do you agree that this is a new variety to be included under the kiangnan 1898 dollar?


IMO, the examples posted here are not conclusive. In fact, the coins posted by Chinese author of two articles suggest those coins may not be genuine (not related to the broken Chinese character) suggesting those broken line may be done after the questionable coins were made. In any case, the broken line may be considered as caused by a defected die, not a variety, which is made with a different designed die.