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Re: Why Copper/Brass/Bronze MCC will outperform Precious Metals MCC
« Reply #75 on: September 01, 2015, 11:43:01 AM »
Tao-Panda and davidt3251,
We regularly have members posting about deals went bad and sometimes the other sides would respond and presented their side of story.  It is not the CCF staff's role to verify the veracity of either party's claims.  CCF serves as a conduit for airing of grievances in these cases.  

My I suggest you open a new topic and present your complaint as clearly and factually as you can.  Please keep your tone as neutral as possible.  Perhaps davidt3251 will recall the incident and respond with his side of story calmly.  

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Re: Why Copper/Brass/Bronze MCC will outperform Precious Metals MCC
« Reply #76 on: September 01, 2015, 11:53:21 AM »
Sandac,


Thank you for your wisdom.

In my concern, the case "davidt3251" is now over.

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Re: Why Copper/Brass/Bronze MCC will outperform Precious Metals MCC
« Reply #77 on: September 01, 2015, 11:58:37 AM »
Sorry, if it is over, then why bring it up in the first place?  All that drama, for what?  :scared:  Just curious.   :w00t:

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Re: Why Copper/Brass/Bronze MCC will outperform Precious Metals MCC
« Reply #78 on: September 01, 2015, 12:12:04 PM »
Over means... over   N21

Just note that I'm not responsible if Mr. davidt3251 lost his mind and began to threat and to tell anything instead of having a constructive discussion.

For further information, please, have a look at my only previous message on this case: http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=11592.msg67470#msg67470

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Re: Why Copper/Brass/Bronze MCC will outperform Precious Metals MCC
« Reply #79 on: September 01, 2015, 12:44:22 PM »
I suggest you read posts back around 2011-2013 when CCF promoted the 3.3oz silver God of Wealth in 69 as a $5600 medal. Then, if you wanted one, certain unnamed CCF members would require you FedEx the $5600 in small denomination notes. The veterans were largely around at that time.

Now it's a $900 medal.



Just want to present the records and the truth. If my memory serve me correct, birdman and SANDC were not the moderator during the period from June 15, 2011 to Aug. 26, 2011. At that time, the only moderator was located in H.K. and ex-administrator had total control of this forum. This seller and ex-administrator were banned permanently from this Forum at the same time.

http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=3181.0 (June 15, 2011)

1989 3.3 oz silver God of War and Wealth clouded claw NCS NGC PF 69 UC
Ebay/PayPal price: $6200
check/money order price: $5650
cash price: $5150
NCS conserved. Population estimate less than 200. Rarely seen investment grade.

http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=3424.0 (July 8, 2011)

1989 3.3 oz silver God of War and Wealth clouded claw NCS NGC PF 69 UC
Ebay/PayPal price: $6200
check/money order price: $5650
cash price: $5150
Population estimate less than 200. Rarely seen investment grade.

http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=3452.0 (July 12, 2011)

1989 3.3 oz silver God of War and Wealth clouded claw NCS NGC PF 69 UC
Ebay/PayPal price: $6200
check/money order price: $5650
cash price: $5150
Population estimate less than 200. Rarely seen investment grade

http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=3725.0 (Aug. 15, 2011)

1984 20 g silver ancient pagoda temple 4 coin set NCS NGC PF 68 UC
Ebay/PayPal price: $14,000
check/money order price: $12,500
cash price: $10,000
Mintage 260, many melted.

1984 20 g silver ancient pagoda temple 4 coin set NCS NGC PF 69 UC
Ebay/PayPal price: $31,000
check/money order price: $28,500
cash price: $26,000
Mintage 260, many melted.

http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=3811.0 (Aug. 26, 2011)

1984 20 g silver ancient pagoda temple 4 coin set NCS NGC PF 68 UC
Ebay/PayPal price: $14,000
check/money order price: $12,500
cash price: $10,000
Mintage 260, many melted.

1984 20 g silver ancient pagoda temple 4 coin set NCS NGC PF 69 UC
Ebay/PayPal price: $31,000
check/money order price: $28,500
cash price: $26,000
Mintage 260, many melted.


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Re: Why Copper/Brass/Bronze MCC will outperform Precious Metals MCC
« Reply #80 on: September 01, 2015, 01:12:37 PM »
I must say, poconopenn, you have kept meticulous record of everything.   N31  N31

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Re: Why Copper/Brass/Bronze MCC will outperform Precious Metals MCC
« Reply #81 on: September 01, 2015, 01:16:28 PM »
Just want to present the records and the truth. If my memory serve me correct, birdman and SANDC were not the moderator during the period from June 15, 2011 to Aug. 26, 2011. At that time, the only moderator was located in H.K. and ex-administrator had total control of this forum. This seller and ex-administrator were banned permanently from this Forum at the same time.

I just checked.  I was asked to become a moderator on October 23, 2012.

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Re: Why Copper/Brass/Bronze MCC will outperform Precious Metals MCC
« Reply #82 on: September 01, 2015, 01:24:49 PM »
Exercise your seniority in constructive ways and help your friend learn how to behave appropriately in forums. He cannot swagger in and insult forum members, impugn their integrity and then slink away! BTW have you smited me today or is your button suffering from overuse?!!!!!!!! N18

I try to stay out of this fracas ..... BUT, KOT, you are being inflammatory and antagonistic. (KOT does not mean keep the flame going.)  Both davidt and mirkkanen have been around this forum a lot longer than you. Let's show them a little respect and tone down.

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Re: Why Copper/Brass/Bronze MCC will outperform Precious Metals MCC
« Reply #83 on: September 01, 2015, 01:28:24 PM »
I just checked.  I was asked to become a moderator on October 23, 2012.
I registered as a CCF member on 5/25/2011 and joined the moderator staff on 10/16/2012.  I don't own any God of War and Wealth medal.

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Re: Why Copper/Brass/Bronze MCC will outperform Precious Metals MCC
« Reply #84 on: September 01, 2015, 01:39:25 PM »
I recently joined, and man, I love my PF69 God War and Wealth medal.  Thank you Clark. :lol:

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Re: Why Copper/Brass/Bronze MCC will outperform Precious Metals MCC
« Reply #85 on: September 01, 2015, 01:54:52 PM »
And you are doing a great job.  I think now folks will call people out, whether they are gurus or not. Which is a good thing, because NO ONE is above the law...no matter how righteous or smart they may be.  I could give a rats arse how smart they are or how much they know about MCC's. If they are being hypocritical or deceiptive, they need to be called out.  Thanks for the good work you do Birdman.   N31 N40

Let's not turn this forum into a site of "calling people out" and "name calling".  Keep your personal grievance discreet, as Birdman suggests, by PM'ing to the moderators and let them handle it.

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Re: Why Copper/Brass/Bronze MCC will outperform Precious Metals MCC
« Reply #86 on: September 01, 2015, 02:10:19 PM »
Thank you popo for the flashback on the god of wealth medals, I don't remember them being over $2k, but looking at old forum posts that was really insightful and sad at the same time.  

I can't believe people were paying those crazy prices.  I bought 60x of them at $120 from the original 1989 owner in late 2010, he had 60 more that I passed on.  I sold my 60x for $240 to a dealer friend a few months later, who listed them on ebay for $400-$500 after grading and got the coin popular among true collectors at a reasonable price.  Then along came this CCF seller, who must have gotten their hands on the other 60x coins and pushed prices up from $500 to $5500 in short order by identifying frosting varieties and controlling a major hoard.  That is the major challenge with medals, many are owned as hoards by single investors.  When that investor sells the price can drop like a rock or skyrocket depending on marketing strategy of the dealer that distributes it, I have seen it go both ways.  

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Re: Why Copper/Brass/Bronze MCC will outperform Precious Metals MCC
« Reply #87 on: September 01, 2015, 02:24:00 PM »
KDP, wow. That is amazing.  I'm happy that I've pretty much collected most of the early year medals I've wanted.  Glad to be out of that market. Now I'm in the more recent series. Thankfully, I'm early to that market. lol.

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Re: Why Copper/Brass/Bronze MCC will outperform Precious Metals MCC
« Reply #88 on: September 01, 2015, 02:25:34 PM »
I think it would be foolish to root for $50,000/oz gold.  That would imply the world's greatest economy and currency would have debased by a factor of 40x from current levels.  A happy meal at Mcdonalds would be selling for $200, a gallon of gas $100, this would be very dark times for everyone, including those that own gold, because everyone around you will be fighting for survival.  A nice steady rise in the price of the gold similar to 1999-2008 is the best back drop one could hope for.  Also, great prosperity for the America, Europe and Asia are in the best interest of owners of numismatic coins, rooting for a country or continent to collapse in this highly connected world economy is bad for everyone.  

 :001_smile:   So true !   :001_smile:

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Re: Why Copper/Brass/Bronze MCC will outperform Precious Metals MCC
« Reply #89 on: September 01, 2015, 03:12:37 PM »
Thank you popo for the flashback on the god of wealth medals, I don't remember them being over $2k, but looking at old forum posts that was really insightful and sad at the same time. 

I can't believe people were paying those crazy prices.  I bought 60x of them at $120 from the original 1989 owner in late 2010, he had 60 more that I passed on.  I sold my 60x for $240 to a dealer friend a few months later, who listed them on ebay for $400-$500 after grading and got the coin popular among true collectors at a reasonable price.  Then along came this CCF seller, who must have gotten their hands on the other 60x coins and pushed prices up from $500 to $5500 in short order by identifying frosting varieties and controlling a major hoard.  That is the major challenge with medals, many are owned as hoards by single investors.  When that investor sells the price can drop like a rock or skyrocket depending on marketing strategy of the dealer that distributes it, I have seen it go both ways. 

KDP, wow. That is amazing.  I'm happy that I've pretty much collected most of the early year medals I've wanted.  Glad to be out of that market. Now I'm in the more recent series. Thankfully, I'm early to that market. lol.

As I think you are aware of, but I'll mention for a new reader, just because you are in a "more recent series" and you are early to it doesn't mean there aren't similar caveats to be aware of (majority of supply controlled by a few people, potential for manipulation of price through hyping and other methods, etc.).  One needs to be cautious with new and old series alike and look for the common thread of red flags.