Topic: 2015 China (Shanghai Mint) 2oz Antique Silver Mammoth Medal

[andrewlee10]

Interesting interchange at LBC!
   
Re: MCC LIST #183: 2014, collectors, pullback 9 reasons, food, coin-medal-whatever
« Reply #3125 on: Today at 03:51:52 pm »
Quote from: Trouble on Today at 10:09:31 am
wow brass mammoth PF 69 down and much cheaper than dragonzheng

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Quote from: barsenault on Today at 10:36:57 am
wowza, great price chinesemedalscom.  Sure beats the price of dragonzeng.  :-))

****Response from badon:
This seller might be fraudulent. He has very little feedback, few sales, and most of his photos are taken from other listings from other dealers. Plus, there is $25 shipping, which makes the saving less impressive compared to dragonzeng168's listing (it's still $17 cheaper). The downside to shipping charges is it's more difficult to recover them if you must return an item. With free shipping, you get the full amount back if you have to return.

Wow what a damn pardon my language lol. It is likely mine in ebay. I have told readers here that I would sell low for this medal for my own reason. Fadualent!!!!! I must go and read LBC.

I have heard many of badon stories but right ear in left ear out immediately.

I might consider further down the price lol. Hope not to bottom Rock price....I do not like loss money

[andrewlee10]

Your sentiments are understandable. Not everyone likes every coin or medal released by the mints. It is actually not possible to like and buy all those items as most people do not have unlimited resources and storage. However, it seems that some people like the Mammoth medal because they have been buying that medal. The recently released antique silver medal is selling well too, on eBay at the moment. It is also rumored to be selling well in China but I don't have categorical information on that.

I must confess that I wasn't enomored with the brass Mammoth on initial release. Its features were very strong and severe. The subject, extinction, was also a sad matter which is also still ongoing for many other animal species. However, as time went on I began to see more into the medal; the new features I discovered in the medal each time I looked more carefully at it. I also appreciate the artistic risk taken to produce something that was not immediately "Chinese" to some onlookers. I have also noted comments by some others who did not like the word "mammoth" written in English!

China has a huge and rich trove of pre-historic animal deposits that are continually being discovered everyday. The mammoth is every bit as Chinese as it is for other countries in the world. It reminds us of what used to be and what could happen to other plants and animals that we take for granted, including us human beings. Heck, the Panda is still an endangered species and could already be extinct by now except for the intervention of the Chinese and other governments and we all who have stoked interest in the animal through our purchases and other activities that feature or use the Panda motif.

I don't know how good an investment the Mammoth medal will turn out to be. I look at it more as an educational tool; something you can share with your kids or grandchildren. The eventual four medal set could be displayed at home as a learning and conversation piece, at least until reports of break-ins and similar nefarious activities force you to sequester the ?now valuable set in the bank vault!

Personally, I will keep one pieces at highest grade or omp even I do not like it. This is to keep a sample as seller. However, storage is big headache in singapore.

I still struggle of selling the pf70 or keep it. As silver antique I might leave it at this moment.

The high relief of the mammoth of the 50 mm and 90 mm is amazing. Anyone bought the silver antique here ? Hope is the same effect

[andrewlee10]

As I have gotten older I often wonder if this is how it has always been and I am just becoming more aware of it or indeed 'credibility' is getting lost more and more.

It is good to see you rejoin the conversation. Passion runs high in forums but it is an imperfect world. Who is the best? Not me!!

There seems to be tacit acceptance that the end justifies the means. In the West shareholder dividend needs are conveniently blamed for justifying aggressive profit making business practices. Whalepricing is accepted in other areas.

Maybe it's just shoddy MCC mint practices and not realizing how detrimental such gaps in mintage information have in the longterm. Only time will tell.

It is not just the ring leaders, it is also the silent majority, who sit by and pretend not to see what is happening.

Stuff is going down right now at LBC. The alter ego and his well met friend are at it again lampooning a fellow forum member and coin seller who tends to keep quiet. Little do they know how much they are damaging further their own credibility and they expect to sell coins too? And we are the fools?

Welcome back Bro!

I view the same credibility is loss more and more as compare to older days. Many Asia emerging and rapid market has not enough credibility as my personal view. I need to deal with many Asian countries counterparts for my full time jobs. I got no choice to accept the fact and live with it. Works still need to be done.

Many years back my relative has illness and went for specialist consultation in Malaysia. The medical centre has 20 specialists and well known in the province. The doctor just ask my relative to do operation after 2 consultations. Lucky she seek second advise from another specialist in Malaysia at another province. Only medication will do the trick and she recover. She did share her experiences wth others and realise the same situation.

A other news in singapore the famous doctor who servicing regular customer from oversea

[KeepOnTrying!]

I view the same credibility is loss more and more as compare to older days. Many Asia emerging and rapid market has not enough credibility as my personal view. I need to deal with many Asian countries counterparts for my full time jobs. I got no choice to accept the fact and live with it. Works still need to be done.

Many years back my relative has illness and went for specialist consultation in Malaysia. The medical centre has 20 specialists and well known in the province. The doctor just ask my relative to do operation after 2 consultations. Lucky she seek second advise from another specialist in Malaysia at another province. Only medication will do the trick and she recover. She did share her experiences wth others and realise the same situation.

A other news in singapore the famous doctor who servicing regular customer from oversea

I hope that in this meandering dialogue I have not given the impression that some country, people or countries is/are "not good" and others are "better".

Part of the joy of collecting MCCM has been the detective work, seeing through the subterfuge, excitement, intrigue, bombast, outright anger and so many other issues I have come across during my quest. The uncertainty (due to lack of information), having to trust my instincts at times and various characters I have come across, have all combined to make my days more fun for more than one year now. No other mint products have given me as much satisfaction collecting.

My only point is that at some stage the Chinese mints should start providing more categorical information on mintage and related issues. They should also provide other more internationally accessible information hopefully from a website (no need printing paper, to reduce costs), a wikipedia type of site for Chinese coins and medals. This could even boost the popularity and sales of MCCM!

I have travelled over the world. Been to and lived in many countries. I was in Asia for some time. Probably the best time of my life. I met a lot of regular folks. Honestly, people are just the same all over the world. Same characters. Some proportion of off-track, crazy and good ones. I wish it was now because I visited Singapore a number of times, usually on overnight transit. I would have liked to look you up and chat. Maybe one day in future!

[andrewlee10]

I hope that in this meandering dialogue I have not given the impression that some country, people or countries is/are "not good" and others are "better".

Part of the joy of collecting MCCM has been the detective work, seeing through the subterfuge, excitement, intrigue, bombast, outright anger and so many other issues I have come across during my quest. The uncertainty (due to lack of information), having to trust my instincts at times and various characters I have come across, have all combined to make my days more fun for more than one year now. No other mint products have given me as much satisfaction collecting.

My only point is that at some stage the Chinese mints should start providing more categorical information on mintage and related issues. They should also provide other more internationally accessible information hopefully from a website (no need printing paper, to reduce costs), a wikipedia type of site for Chinese coins and medals. This could even boost the popularity and sales of MCCM!

I have travelled over the world. Been to and lived in many countries. I was in Asia for some time. Probably the best time of my life. I met a lot of regular folks. Honestly, people are just the same all over the world. Same characters. Some proportion of off-track, crazy and good ones. I wish it was now because I visited Singapore a number of times, usually on overnight transit. I would have liked to look you up and chat. Maybe one day in future!

http://yourhealth.asiaone.com/content/hk-man-wins-suit-against-local-doctor-gleneagles-hospital.
This is one of the case in Singapore.

I am Malaysian and feel bad of my relative case in Malaysia. I believe everywhere got cases BUT where is more often and where is less. However, I seems the credibility has lesser and lesser nowadays.

You welcome to have a chat if I am in town. I need a fair bit of business travelling for my full time jobs.

You need to live as local to know the trick. I have live in china for few months which they treat the expat like god which I feel so great. However, I did travelling alone for leisure in china for weeks and join the local which treatment totally diff. LMAO

[KeepOnTrying!]

I recently heard that the 2015 antique silver Mammoth medal weighs 64grams and not 2oz as initially badged. That means it actually weighs about 2.26oz. Furthermore, I understand that this information has been communicated to NGC. It will still be prudent for anyone sending the medal for slabbing to request that the correct weight is noted on the medal slab label. You can weigh the medal yourself but that will mean cutting open the plastic pouch, which may not be the best thing to do unless you are sending it off immediately for slabbing or you don't mind. Obviously, time will clarify this medal weight issue!